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Old 07-31-2009, 05:20 PM
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Default Some hands from last session biggest wins/losses for review.

These are the hands where I won or lost most in my last session. I would like to see what others may do different to either not lose so much or would win more from the way I played these hands. Over the session there were 770 hands multiple tables and my vpip 15.7 pfr 8.3 I was playing little tighter than usual as was taking shot at 25nl.


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Old 07-31-2009, 09:03 PM
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my own analysis:
1. I should have rr larger, but would not change outcome. His stats were 23/16 over 71 hands so not super nit

2. His stats were 50/22 over 19 hands. His raise was more than standard, not sure what that meant must mean big hand. I didnt have set mining odds so maybe should have just sholved but then again would have not changed anything. The flop was good for me so I thought, so I bet. Turn I prob should have just sholved before him. Do most call his sholve?

3. His stats 33/13 over 15 hands. I like my rr size as I think he is stealing a lot here but not sure w/ so few hands. I dont like his flat call, but I guess he is scared A or K fall on flop. Flop was dry and he shoves over my bet. Is my call bad? Is his shove bad play by him? I call because I was thinking he knows I will cbet and I prob miss that flop so he will get me to fold w/ a shove.

4. Stats 33/13 over 93 hands. I definitely should have rr larger preflop, dont recall why I did that amount. His rr shove could have meant set or over pair to board but definitely like my call being that he was on draw, only thing i'm behind is AA and set.

5. Stats 14/5 over 43 hands. His min. rr on flop should have been signal but I think he being so tight prob. has AQ lot here. Should I fire turn after he rr me on flop? Use the poss. flush as scare card? River give me good two pr so I think I have to call his value bet, agree? I probably go broke if he shoves anytime, luckily he wasnt too aggressive.

6. I think I played this ok. Lost min. that I could.
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Old 07-31-2009, 11:46 PM
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H1: only hand you didn't want to see

H2: Once you check the turn I am dumping the jacks to the overbet. Any K beats you, 55, 99 and QQ+ beat you. He already knows that you are not that keen on your hand with the check so really he doesn't have to bet pot to fold you which makes the large overbet even more suspicious.

H3: You are not getting that great of an implied odds situation to call the buttons raise with the 99 (he is short), and with that in mind I would not be 3-betting here as you are then going to be in a horrible situation postflop if you miss your set. As played though I fold to the shove. He has raised pre, called a 3bet and then shoved a fairly safe board.

H4: Raise more preflop at least $1. As played it was fine. I would have done the same an possibly expected to see a set of 8's as a possible hand as well.

H5: You should be wary of the minraise (as you were since you checked behind on the turn). As played I would be hard pressed to lay down the kings when he bets 1/3rd pot on the river.

H6: You trapped yourself here. A continuation bet should have happened. The check/call on the turn now means you are playing blind. I don't know if I would call the river bet by the villain. Top pair with the Q looks ok but so does T9, 33, 55, 99 TT and AA. Admittedly he played it badly but does he really think you are going to fold here? I think if he did he would bet less.

H7: Nice flop. I may not have bet full pot on the turn but he called so all is cool.

H8: Not raising preflop is a mistake here I think. You have a good hand. I think you got lucky. Any queen was beating you on the flop and the flush got there on the turn. Luckily the old adage of the only hand that calls you has you beat did not apply here

H9: If you are going to play 43s then you should be open raising not limping. You need to make your opponent question what he is up against. Honestly I would have folded the flop. You hit a 6-outer on the river and got lucky.

H10: I am not sure I like the shove on the turn. JQ just completed the straight (a possible holding for a caller of your raise preflop). When the villain sticks in $4.25 on the turn he is committed to the pot with only $3.25 left behind. A raise all in by you here will not change anything. Hmmm maybe that means the push is OK? If you had just called though and his flush did hit he may have tried to check to you to get you to bluff the pot. I dont know, better minds will come to the party here. I just know that I am not all that enamored with the play .

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Old 08-01-2009, 12:56 AM
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1) 3-bet larger. Std. Can we have a rule against KK vs AA AI PF hands? Like, seriously?

2) 3-betting preflop is the best option usually as you will be out of position postflop. As played, donk betting is a terrible option. You force him to make a "tough" laydown with AQs and other high unpaired hands he is raising with and he'll just snap you off with the hands that have you crushed. Keep his range wide considering your hand is very underrepped, and let him fire a c-bet which you can comfortably shove over/call (depending on size). Since you donk-bet and he flat-called, I would assume your hand is not good on the turn but I am just being RO probably and you only need to be good ~1/3 of the time here, so calling is good if he can shove worse PPs as well as AQ, or just hot air. Otherwise you need to dump.

3) If you think he is stealing, you don't need to be raising here as you have a decent hand you can keep his range wide with postflop. Raising is only slightly profitable if he folds over 75% of the time (your raise size) and given that he has the button, this sounds unreasonable to me. The other alternative is that he calls with enough worse SC's/PPs and can overvalue them postflop enough for you to extract one street of value or more. Given that you 3-bet and you will be c-betting most boards, you will be showing massive strength and this also seems unreasonable. You also ruin your implied odds. To 3-bet or not to 3-bet here depends on postflop play. Your small bet on the flop invites him to join the party and have the pot (:P) because, again, you underrep your hand and in a spot where you should be narrowing your opponent's range, you let him play perfectly against you and balance his his monster overpairs with high unpaired cards he will happily bluff-ship any turn card with. On the turn, you have no choice but to call given the way you played the flop.

4) Definitely definitely definitely reraise more preflop and flop is such a terribly ugly spot because (and nothing you can do about this) your opponent can play perfect poker and merge his draws and sets + into one range that has you crushed and if he adds bluffs into it if you're thinking on another level, you're going to get dominated here. The cbet is fine, however, given your small reraise preflop and you induced his all-in shove. That said, his abnormal reraise size is quite rarely a monster and often a draw you are ahead of. Ship it!

5) Your flop/turn and river play are inconsistent IMO. You call the flop reraise thinking it can be a weak Q you don't want to scare away. He checks the turn, repping a weak hand. You have extra outs against a set here and should fire a smallish bet if he has Q's (like you believe) and if not, fold river! 3:1 odds are enticing but ask yourself: What can he possibly have here? Hard to fold, but you took an optimum line against a certain type of player going into the river and then changed your strategy because you couldn't fold. As played, you are getting 3:1 and it isn't inconceivable that he leads AQ/KQ but this is more of a guessing game in your spot.

6) As someone who used to grind full-ring (I hate the nittiness of it now), this is a snap-fold UTG. For 50k hands, KQs and KQo were my two biggest losers and I blamed it all on luck because I was raising it from every single position. This was one of the biggest leaks I have ever had to date. While you should be raising this UTG in shorthanded play, full-ring this is quite an easy muck. Why did you play this hand so passively postflop? You should be betting it pretty much 100% of the time. It is such an amazingly dry board you have excellent fold equity and you have the easiest decision in the world when he raises you. Not c-betting is burning money. You didn't bet turn either...ummm why? When you check and he bets a bluff, you get 1 bet in. When you bet turn + river, you get in two!! He will be hard-pressed to fold any K, T, or some PPs here if he is a donk. When you check/call turn and check river, he decided how to play his hand. You give his position much more power. He can check his middling hands like TP, second pair, and bet for value with his 2pr+. You'll be trapped. He doesn't have to worry about rangemerging or any other bullshit like that because he can close the betting and show the hand down. He controls your hand here basically. As played, you have to call river.

7) Calling flop is your worst choice. You can get value from ANY ten with this SPR and you'll have them absolutely crushed when a 7 comes. Your implied odds are dog-shit terrible, though, because if he doesn't have a ten here, 10 cards in the deck will make him insta-fold. Imagine the small blind folding a slowplayed JJ here because the ten of clubs smacked the turn and he didn't fill up on the river. You should absolutely hate yourself for this. You had a chance to get in 100bbs on the flop (with an EV of about 66bbs; that's 100bbs to win 166!!!!! Considering 15bb/100 is a substantial winrate, this one hand can save you as many as 400 hands of play!!!!) and now you only got maybe 20 at best. If UTG has a J and he isn't a retard, he'll raise here and you shove over him and he snap-folds. Or, he plays it like he did and 10 cards in the deck make him muck again. Another reason to raise it up is the micro-small SPR. The SPR heading to the flop is microscopic! You should be looking to build it on this flop as fast as possible and you need to do it sooner than later for reasons mentioned. The only way you can get a stack in this hand is by raising the flop. The turn bet also screams out strength. Any time someone insta-fires full pot, you should open your eyes, grit your teeth, and generally fold anything but the top of your range. This is a stronger move than even an overbet FME.

8) Raise that shit up preflop! Any time the sb limps into your bb, you should be looking to raise pretty much ATC. They are showing extreme weakness and you should take it down more often than not. Throw in the fact that you're in position and you have KJs which does awesome against extreme weakness and there is no reason not to raise it up. Flop is good, I would throw in raises occasionally versus just the right opponent, but you played it fine on the flop. Turn is a definite raise, however. A third of the deck on the river cripples you (a T, A, or diamond) and you must raise for value from those hands.

9) Whoa whoa whoa whoa...open limp? ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME!? What is the point of pokertrikz if this kind of bull**** is still posted on it!? Haven't you watched anything by trikkur, loltrickedu, or anyone else here? Open-limping is the WORST thing that you can do in 6-max No-Limit Hold 'Em. Sorry for the rant, bro, but this hand is pretty much a big "**** you" to all the excellent training videos on this site.

10) Shove the flop as a default because you have nothing short of a monster with the nut flush draw, two overcards, and even a backdoor straight draw to sweeten the deal. Calling is best versus tight players, though, but no one can fault you for shoving the turn and that is the ideal play given flop cold-call.





Overall, I think your play is too weak-tight. You underrep your hand consistently, don't bet for value, and give initiative to your opponents. Even if they don't know the first thing about it, you give them arguably the most important tool in NLHE: pot manipulation. When you allow your opponents to control the betting, they can balloon the pot and force you to call down with marginal hands like top pair or they can check behind and you lose value. You allow your opponents to dictate how to play the hand, rather than you doing this yourself. Their ranges are balanced and very hard to read without significant sample size, while your hand is turned over face-up and any time you do show aggression, your hand is polarized to the nuts. You force yourself to play guessing games because your opponents' ranges are balanced and guessing games are never +EV.

Hope it helps bro! 2-10NL may have been weak enough to destroy like this but 25NL+ will chew you up. I've spent nearly an hour writing up this post for you, so don't respond to me trying to start a flame war or anything. I did this to help out a fellow grinder.

GL at the tables, I'm going to get some sleep now.
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Old 08-01-2009, 03:15 AM
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No offense, and I'm really only saying this because I'm kinda fucked up right now (usually will answer these posts anyway).... but please just make it 1 HH per post. I know that's kinda strange to demand since the replayer allows you to add multiple hands, but when you post 10 hands at once it's going to be like me responding to 10 posts in a row.

Just go through your HH's after the session and find the ones that you were lost in -- whether it was a big pot or not (lots of big pots are coolers anyway) -- then post them one at a time. Also, please give relevant stats/reads/tendencies for all villains. If they're an unknown then say so. (not sure if you did that for this post because I'm an ass and haven't really read OP).

Sorry to be such a prick... I'll probably end up responding tomorrow when I'm in a better mood.
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