25NL: JJ IP, valuebet river?

[AdrienD]

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com


Stacks:

UTG		($23.00)
UTG+1		($20.90)
CO		($22.50)
Hero (BTN)		($25.85)
SB		($15.10)
BB		($26.85)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BTN

UTG calls $0.25 ($22.75), 1 fold, CO calls $0.25 ($22.25), Hero raises to $1.50 ($24.35), 1 fold, BB calls $1.25 ($25.35), UTG calls $1.25 ($21.50), CO calls $1.25 ($21)

Flop: ($6.10, 4 players)
BB checks ($25.35), UTG checks ($21.50), CO checks ($21), Hero checks ($24.35)

Turn: ($6.10, 4 players)
BB checks ($25.35), UTG checks ($21.50), CO checks ($21), Hero bets $3 ($21.35), BB folds ($25.35), UTG calls $3 ($18.50), CO folds ($21)

River: ($12.10, 2 players)
UTG checks ($18.50), Hero checks ($21.35)

[Results Hidden]

I checked the flop behind to control the size of the pot.
There aren't any draws out there and I only give a free card to A or K (and maybe small PPs with 2 outer).
+ I don't think that my bet would be +EV here cause I don't get Qx to fold and I don't get a call from less than JJ often enough.

Anway, turn comes a ten and every1 checks again so I'm pretty sure I have the best hand most of the time and now I can easily get value from stubborn small pocket pairs/draws/Tx.
I think I shouldve bet a little more like 4-4.50.

On the river villain checks and I think his range is mainly Qx/Tx/small PPs/6x/missed draws

If I bet I get missed draws to fold and get raised/called by Qx and Tx, so the question is how often do I get called by those small pocket pairs and 6x.

If I bet 1/2-1/3 pot do I get called often enough by small PPs and 6x ?

[quadfive]

check behind here

[Patience]

If you haven't seen the villain make really loose calls prior to this, I'd definitely check behind

[mxrider]

I think you can make a thin valuebet here and fold to a raise unless you think he is tricky enough to bluff raise here. I'd bet something like $5.

I also would bet bigger on the turn to get value from hands like 88, 99 AT

[kgu1]

I'd check behind here. On the turn, hands such as 77, 88, 99 may pay you off, but unless they're real stations, they're not going to call a river bet too.

[TheDeKay]

Any stats on villain?
Standart is to check behind.

MxRiders approach is good too.

If he's aggro, I might bet small (~3$) - call the river, but I'm not sure, if that's appropriate for 25NL Only hands I see him c/r for value are Tx and since he limp/called pre, there shouldn't be that many Tx in his range.

[AdrienD]

Originally Posted by TheDeKay

Any stats on villain?
Standart is to check behind.

MxRiders approach is good too.

If he's aggro, I might bet small (~3$) - call the river, but I'm not sure, if that's appropriate for 25NL Only hands I see him c/r for value are Tx and since he limp/called pre, there shouldn't be that many Tx in his range.

I don't use a HUD atm, he's loose passive and that obviously means he's fishy.
Also means I can expect him to limp-call a wide range preflop and can't really exclude many strong hands because passive fish love to slowplay.

I think I shouldve valuebet small like mxrider suggested cause the fact that he checked both the flop and the turn means a Q is a lot less likely and a ten too (he wouldve probably done something funky like minbet or bet 2 big blinds)

[urbansprawler]

I don't like betting this river. You already got a street of value on the turn, and going for a second seems to me to be pushing the envelope too far.

[chinz]

Originally Posted by urbansprawler

I don't like betting this river. You already got a street of value on the turn, and going for a second seems to me to be pushing the envelope too far.

Yeah. Flushdraws, KJ or J9 won't call and smaller PPs, AJ or AK are probably not calling either. Not often enough to offset the times he has a weak Q or Tx.

If the pot was HU all the way (after preflop I mean), you could make a valuebet here. But when you get called here in 4way turn, his range shouldn't really have too many hands that you beat and will call another street.

[Silverthunder]

Thank you for the post- I like the check behind on the flop- sorta learned something there.