Getting 5 : 1 on the River...

[kgu1]

So, this was my first shot at 50NL (so naturally I pissed my pants once I started). I'm getting 5 to 1 here on the river. Villain is very loose-passive and this was the first time I've seen him raise. Even so... is 17% good enough to call here with TPTK? Also, feel free to critique me on the rest of the hand as well.

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($45.40)
Hero (MP) ($47.05)
CO ($121.19)
Button ($55.80)
SB ($13.35)
BB ($102.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, K
1 fold, Hero bets $1.75, CO calls $1.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($4.25) 5, 10, K (2 players)
Hero bets $2.85, CO calls $2.85

Turn: ($9.95) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.75, CO calls $6.75

River: ($23.45) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $11, CO raises to $22, Hero?

[ShoveOrFold]

I don't thikn you are good even 17% of the time here. This is a spot where i would bleed a lot of money. People just aren't stupid enough to try and bluff here when lead into 3 streets. He has a flush most likely. Fold.

[nawhead]

Loose-passive. Check.
First time raising. Check.

[ ] Good candidate to look up a river minraise with 1 pair on a 3 flush board.

[ ] He probably just slowplayed a set anyway. Maybe we can re-pop him and get him to fold.

[ ] Villain is inside our head knowing we have the discipline to fold so he's minraise bluffing with AT with Ace heart or busted straight draw. We need to go 1 level higher and re-re-minraise to induce him to call or shove with worse.


Sometimes we're just beat. And there's not much we can do. A good player can only limit losses. And that's part of winning too. Put out that blocker and be disciplined enough to fold.

Absent of any over-riding factors (bluff monkey, villain raises thin too much all the time, table dynamic, your image as bluffing bottom pair to river and calling a raise or something crazy), fold.

I sometimes will just block 1/4th the pot. Passive villains look for good prices on TP bad kicker. And won't usually turn it into bluffs. If passive villain is actually a tricky thinking player and floats and bluffs or turns hands into bluffs recognizing blockers, with the sooooper tricky and/or stupid ability to minraise bluff, we'll be in a pot with him again, or he's better than we think and must adjust our own lines vs tricky villain.

Ways to play this hand differently. We have a awesome showdown hand but could be absolutely crushed so don't want to pay off more than we need to when beat. Check/call up to PSB on turn, check re-evaluate river. If villain feels like playing a big pot on river, and we do believe he's a passive player, we're definitely beat. But betting what we're comfortable with to river is perfectly ok. Can't call a river raise tho readless, that's spew.

[zayphod]

FOLD! you are toast here I think. He is betting for value and giving you great odds to call (don't do it: hope you didn't).

He has a flush, or a set, I suspect and on the odd occasion the same hand as you (not very likely though). His stack suggests he has been successful already, and as you said when you have never seen him raise before that should set off all sorts of alarm bells.

[Vantek]

Villain is very loose-passive and this was the first time I've seen him raise.

lol even if you were getting 1:10, it would probably be unprofitable to call

[Kleanthes]

Raising AK from MP is definitively standard. Your c-bet on the flop, especially on this wet board with TPTK is standard too. I like your turn bet. I think it is better to bet this turn despite the flush on board and then fold to a raise, or check/fold the river if he just calls. When you bet the turn you get value from A LOT of hands on this board against a station. I really like betting the turn instead of check/calling and then check/folding the river. You are getting maximum value out of your loose-passiv opponents draws this way, and on the other hand, you are losing the same amount of money when you are behind. The Riverbet though, is a mistake i think. I would put Villian on a very BIG Hand here or nothing! So you are way ahead/way behind on the river, i think. Villian is calling or raising you here when he has you beat. And he is folding no matter what you bet when he has a busted draw.

For example: If the board would be: Ks 5c Th 6d 2d, i am definitively value betting the river. But with your type of board, i would just check the river and then fold if he bets. Or make a crying river call getting 7:1 odds or so

[urbansprawler]

Once he calls your flop bet, you should be potting the turn for maximum value and if you decide to check river at least you've gotten the money on the turn now.

Betting river is a bit thin and checking or betting small and folding to a raise would be best IMO. You are targeting KJ/KQ/K9, which doesn't look like the majority of his range at this point tbh.