Spewy or weak with 2nd to board PP?

[nawhead]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($2.87)
SB ($5.73)
BB ($1.83)
UTG ($5.19)
Hero (MP) ($1.71)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9, 9
1 fold, Hero bets $0.17, 2 folds, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.36) 3, Q, 4 (2 players)
BB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.76) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $0.46, Hero folds

Total pot: $0.76 | Rake: $0.05


No read. Villain's short, I'm short. Just pitch it on flop? Call to re-evalute hoping he's just stabbing with some straight draw or pair < Q (which I do a lot). Feel like this is just spot where I'm spewing constantly.

[couriermike]

I think it's played fine. You could raise his donk on this pretty dry flop and give up if he doesn't fold, but I think calling is OK, too. Folding the turn when he bets again is good because of course you can't call down with < tp, especially as the board becomes more coordinated. If you're playing ABC, even folding the flop is OK imo.

[Silverthunder]

I think it just comes down to how aggressive the guy is on the flop. If he is aggressive, then call. If he tends to be passive, then you can fold the flop.

I think that given the game stakes, it is not that uncommon for people to try to play something stupid like 2nd pair that way, but probably not worth the risk to look him up unless you have seen them do that multiple times.

The standard line would probably be to call one street & then fold to the turn bet if you dont have any overall reads on the opponent.

[urbansprawler]

Fold flop or call to river. One thing you will notice about frequent donk bettors is they practically never fire one bet and then give up. They will make retarded bet after retarded bet.

[nawhead]

Originally Posted by urbansprawler

Fold flop or call to river. One thing you will notice about frequent donk bettors is they practically never fire one bet and then give up. They will make retarded bet after retarded bet.

I will make calldowns with < TP. Hell bottom pair with the right read. But this is after 100+ hands of good game attention.

But let's talk general strategy. Very little history. Player might be bad to good, just don't know.

Right now, I generally try to balance out my call lines to board texture. If I'd just call a donk bet with TP+, I'll take the call line with my < TP. Or a super drawy board that's K hi. But a semi-dry T-Q hi board, I think villains will fire all day 2 barrels.

This is what I feel comfortable with, but maybe it's spewy still. In the long run, I think I may just improve winrate by mucking it all unless I have room to improve or have a better read?

[urbansprawler]

That's probably the best approach.

[Silverthunder]

Originally Posted by nawhead

But let's talk general strategy. Very little history. Player might be bad to good, just don't know.

At 10NL Players Only, against an unknown, it is probably best to call one street and then, if they did not have that top pair, they will check to you on the next street. Up to you how to proceed from there.

this bet and check on the next street is such a common line that I float them with air & then I fire full pot on the turn. I might take that line once they have successfully stolen the pot on the flop once or twice in previous hands.

[Vantek]

I would personally fold flop because he's shortstacked (and so more likely to either be fit or fold, or continue through with some crazy bluff), but I don't necessarily hate your call.

One thing you will notice about frequent donk bettors is they practically never fire one bet and then give up.

I don't agree.

[nawhead]

Originally Posted by Silverthunder

At 10NL Players Only, against an unknown, it is probably best to call one street and then, if they did not have that top pair, they will check to you on the next street. Up to you how to proceed from there.

this bet and check on the next street is such a common line that I float them with air & then I fire full pot on the turn. I might take that line once they have successfully stolen the pot on the flop once or twice in previous hands.

So if you have 2nd pair to the board instead of air? Let's pretend villain checked turn.

I guess this is wierd spot for me since I rarely if ever float donk bettors and make a move. So I'd just call with 2nd pair and check behind turn hoping to catch another thin vb/bluff or vb myself on river.

Maybe I need to incorporate the donk float into my game, but it seems really unnecessary at microstakes.

[Silverthunder]

Originally Posted by nawhead

So if you have 2nd pair to the board instead of air? Let's pretend villain checked turn.

I guess this is wierd spot for me since I rarely if ever float donk bettors and make a move. So I'd just call with 2nd pair and check behind turn hoping to catch another thin vb/bluff or vb myself on river.

Maybe I need to incorporate the donk float into my game, but it seems really unnecessary at microstakes.

with pocket second pair, if he checks the turn, check behind & probably call a smallish river bet cause he is probably just firing a second small barrel or firing a value bet with second pair. You can even fire a smallish river bet of your own if he checks the river bet, too. YOu are hoping to get called my second pair. That would be a very thin value bet; I would be inclined almost not to do it for fear of getting called my top pair rag kicker.

I don't think these microstakes players even know what a donk bet is. I think that a lot of them just think.. hmm.. should I just bet every flop in which I am first to act? The ones that play the yes line to that question everyone time, I like to float them with air on boards where it seems like they probably didn't hit. That board does seem like it is something that they may not have hit a piece of.