Can I call this flop push with AK hi?

[nawhead]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($5.26)
MP ($2.91)
CO ($17.47)
Hero (Button) ($4.38)
SB ($1.91)
BB ($5)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K
1 fold, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.40, 2 folds, MP calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 8, J, 7 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.70, MP raises to $2.51 (All-In)


I have no respect for villain. I think he just wants to put his money in for no good reason.

I saw villain calloff his chips the following way a few minutes prior:


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($2.74)
CO (Villain from Hand #1) ($5.65)
Button ($17.47)
Hero (SB) ($4.43)
BB ($2.01)
UTG ($5)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, 2
1 fold, MP bets $1, CO calls $1, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.15) 2, 6, 10 (2 players)
MP bets $1.74 (All-In), CO calls $1.74

Turn: ($5.63) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($5.63) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $5.63 | Rake: $0.37

Results:
MP had 8, 8 (one pair, eights).
CO had A, 7 (high card, Ace).
Outcome: MP won $5.26


Call or Fold now in Hand #1? Can I reasonably put enough no pair hands in villain's range to make a call? Or is it just over-reaction spew?

[ShoveOrFold]

This is one flop I'd check behind with AK. There are so many hands he'd just check-ship with that hits his range here. Especially since hes so short, he'll be shipping with anything he connects the board with.

You are hoping he has complete air here. I don't like calling here.

[Silverthunder]

the limp UTG is likely a small pocket pair. Did you see him limp UTG with a small pocket pair recently? What hands have you seen him limp UTG? Do we have a VPIP UTG or this guy (maybe that is not even a stat that HUDs generate- I don't use a HUD so sorry if that's a stupid question)?

The amount of additional money that you have to add to this pot is going to be 30% of the total pot after you call.

Your cards versus like pocket dueces 25% dog for having the overcards + a few percentage points for backdoor straights and flushes. These add on about another 5%.

So against pocket dueces, it is about neutral EV.

Again, I just really want to know a little more about this guy preflop- even if we just know like the last 5 hands- limp raise or fold. Besides the obvious, we really need him to not have something like Jh9h. There are pair possibilities, straight draw possibilities, and flush draw possibilities. He can have one of those but not more than one of those for us to call, basically.

[couriermike]

You'd have to be good like 40% of the time to call which is very optimistic.

+1 for checking back the flop. We missed and this flop hits alot of hands.

With these spazzy players just wait for a hand and stack them but don't play back at them light, since they're not folding, that's bleeding chips.

[Spinage]

Get off this table, refill your stack. Why are you sat at a table with less than 50bb with 4 other shortstacks (two of which are desperate). If you are learning from this site, we try to play poker, not complete gambling.

In reality, you are good here a very large portion of the time, but I fold anyway, because I'm not sure if I am good ENOUGH of the time, and he is donating his stack anyway, so wait for a better hand?

You won't make money at this table through skill. Table selection is a hugely important, and very overlooked part of poker

[AdrienD]

Originally Posted by couriermike

You'd have to be good like 40% of the time to call which is very optimistic.

+1 for checking back the flop. We missed and this flop hits alot of hands.

With these spazzy players just wait for a hand and stack them but don't play back at them light, since they're not folding, that's bleeding chips.

+2

that flop will give him a lot of paired hands or draws that have very good equity vs your AK so this is never a call.

The hand you gave to base your read on is not good, because in that hand he CALLED off all his chips, not raised allin.

That hand should actually reinforce your reasons for checking behind this flop. If he is calling allin that light, he definitely is not folding bottom pair on this board.

[Vantek]

I have no respect for villain. I think he just wants to put his money in for no good reason.

That is all good and fine... Except you don't have much of a hand either.

Your hand was very good preflop. Now it is just ace king high with only two cards to come.

Placing people in profitable situations is not a good way to get back at them.

Why are you sat at a table with less than 50bb with 4 other shortstacks

I disagree with this BTW. I find shortstacks at these limits are so terribad they're some of the most profitable opponents you can find.

[nawhead]

"Placing people in profitable situations is not a good way to get back at them." -Vantek

I think that about sums up the dilemma here. I put myself into a sticky spot, incorrectly assessed a good time to bluff, wasn't thinking through what would happen if raised, and now am looking for an excuse to bail myself out by making a super thin call.

I've been listening to a lot of PokerRoad's Cash Plays show, especially the interviews with Samoleus, and I'm really forcing myself to incorporate the thought process that he says is the only hard rule in poker: (paraphrased) "If you're going to bet or raise, know what you'll do when re-raised. If you don't know what you'll do, well, don't bet or raise."