QQ facing 4-bet preflop question

[couriermike]

I have 200 hands on villain. He is 25/14/2 and 3-bets 5%. His fold to 3-bet is 50% (over 4 hands) and this is the first 4-bet I've seen him do. The only thing I've really noticed about him is that he likes to take pot-sized stabs at scary flops multi-way but immediately folds when raised.

Are you happy to get it in with QQ here? The 4-bet makes me nervous but it is also kinduva resteal situation.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

UTG ($6.24)
MP ($11.50)
CO ($10.36)
Button ($10.25)
SB ($4.02)
Hero (BB) ($13)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
2 folds, CO bets $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.10, CO raises to $3.35, Hero ?

[given1982]

What's your image? Any preflop history with villain? If you're 3betting LP opens a lot, especially his, I definitely like 5betting all in. Shoving QQ here can never be terrible--you're 40% against KK+, AK, and even if villain never folds, you only need 45% for a shove to be profitable.

[kgu1]

This spot is borderline imo. It's true that you only need about 40% equity against KK+ and AK, but at 10nl, the first 4-bet you see is usually only KK and AA. You're statement about the "pot-sized stabs in multiways" doesn't really apply here since this situation is pre-flop.

But w/ all that said, I would 5-bet all-in for two reasons here. One, because as Given said, only 40% equity is needed (plus fold equity). And two, you'll get to see what your opponent's 4 bet range and gain that information for future confrontations.

And plus... if it is KK and AA, there's always that 20% suckout.

[couriermike]

My image is really nitty like 14/10, and this is the first time he's seen me 3-bet. I stacked off because 'I have QQ' but I didn't feel good about it. I was just wondering if people ever fold here or is this an auto-stackoff?

He's never bluffing here, he's more of a call-and-stab guy than a raise-to-make-you-fold guy. He has some made hand. His range could be JJ+ but I doubt he has AK. Against JJ+ I'm 40%, but that's being generous. Against QQ+ I'm only 20%. So, going with my read, I probably should have folded. But that just seems so weird, to fold QQ preflop, especially at the micros. Does anybody do that?

[nawhead]

Originally Posted by kgu1

And two, you'll get to see what your opponent's 4 bet range and gain that information for future confrontations.

This is non-factor at 10NL with such a large player pool. You'd have to specifically search out this guy again to make it even a factor. According to short description of villain, he seems like a mild aggro, breakeven-ish type player, so not worth the effort.

[nawhead]

Originally Posted by couriermike

My image is really nitty like 14/10, and this is the first time he's seen me 3-bet. I stacked off because 'I have QQ' but I didn't feel good about it. I was just wondering if people ever fold here or is this an auto-stackoff?

He's never bluffing here, he's more of a call-and-stab guy than a raise-to-make-you-fold guy. He has some made hand. His range could be JJ+ but I doubt he has AK. Against JJ+ I'm 40%, but that's being generous. Against QQ+ I'm only 20%. So, going with my read, I probably should have folded. But that just seems so weird, to fold QQ preflop, especially at the micros. Does anybody do that?

You just don't have that much information on villain to make this type of assumption. 200 hands is just not enough history to say a guy never 4bets AK or even JJ, especially a 24/14 who's stabby. If anything, his aggro postflop tendencies shows a willingness to aggress if he thinks he has a chance, and he's saying to himself "I raise and stab at pots, so someone's gonna get fed up and try to win a pot preflop sooner or later" and AK/JJ is a monster to someone playing 24% of hands.

I'd chalk it up to just a cooler.

(LOL, I think I just described how I've been playing and projected onto villain. But yeah, my stats are very close to that on occasion and I've been playing super breakeven poker and you already know my AK/JJ threads....)

[ShoveOrFold]

Call and check/shove non A or K flop.

[Silverthunder]

at 10NL, the site that I was playing at, Players Only, this would always be AA or KK, very very occassionally, AKs. As you go up in the limits, more AK hands will do this, like at 50NL, I would say.

probably a fold. Without the huge sample size, try to just go by what is normal for the limit and the site that you are on.

[yummygummy]

I never fold Queens in the micros. I like a shove because your OOP.

[Spinage]

At first I liked ShoveorFolds ironic call suggestion, because I thought the equity difference on a non AK high board against KK+/AKo/AKs would be bigger than it is. Against that range you're 40% pre, and roughly 45/55 on a none A/K board.

If you ever think he does this with AQ or JJ, or as a bluff... EVER, then shove. If not fold. I think that against most players at 10nl in this situation, it's just a high variance shove that you can choose to take... a lot of people will 4bet JJ+, especially if you've 3bet him prevously.