Two hands from Today's Session

[urbansprawler]

Villains in both hands are supreme idiots. In hand 2, I'm not sure if we were deep enough for a bet/fold as he might just feel committed and shove. Do we put in a shove even with the T pairing?

[given1982]

1 - Isolating this hand preflop is pretty marginal. Raise bigger if you're going to raise.

2 - I'd put in a bigger 3bet on the flop and shove the turn, especially against a fish. There's a lot more in his calling range than TTT.

[urbansprawler]

Hand 1: I'm pretty sure iso'ing was best, CO + BTN were tighties so I wanted to play a pot in position with a strong suited connector.

Hand 2: Yeah, that's what I should've done, thanks.

How much would you raise to in each hand?

[Spinage]

Hand 1, There is a big argument for double barreling and folding to a raise. Your read is he is an idiot, an idiot won't understand pot odds, so perhaps a 2/3 bet to charge draws, the J isn't really a scare card, and I don't really think there many better Tens in his range when he limp calls UTG. I only see JT being ahead of you on the turn. Checking the river behind is good, your probably always good, but there is not value from draws anymore, and mid pocket pairs that might min donk that flop "to see where they are at" will fold now two more overcards have came.

Would be easier to see if he does limp call QT+with a read more specific than 'idiot' though lol.

Hand 2, I don't like your 3bet size, you make it $9 to call for a ~$41 pot, which is basically good enough odds to flat with a draw profitably, and I doubt you fold any river. There are tons of draws on the board and no real two pairs (hes not flatting T6 from the blinds is he?).

Just raise more and get it in if you can.

The turn is crappy, but I don't think he flats a 3bet with just top pair in a multiway pot OOP... I dunno without history of course, but I would give most people more credit than that and put them on over pairs, sets and draws, so I would bet and get it in here too and just clench my fist the rare time he went crazy with a ten, take a note and stack him many times in the future.

As played, the river call was probably fine, he isn't calling draws any more so there is probably nearly no value missed at all in just flatting.

[given1982]

Originally Posted by urbansprawler

How much would you raise to in each hand?

1 - Whatever your standard open is from that position + 1bb per limper.

2 - ~25.

[Silverthunder]

Originally Posted by given1982

1 - Isolating this hand preflop is pretty marginal. Raise bigger if you're going to raise.

Is it really called isoing if there are 2 limpers, 2 in position people behind you & the blinds still to act. When I think of the word isolating, I think of getting it down to one other player in the hand. I guess it could mean isolating everyone that is out of position.

I think in hand 1, we are looking for 1 street of value, possibly to call a 2nd street with the right reads. Couldn't you see this guy limping with ATo, marginal suited broadways, small PPs, & possibly AA? This is the range that I would give a random player at these limits on the site that I play, Cake. As you guys already pointed out, it would be nice to know what is in his limp calling range. If he is someone that doesn't understand position and has a crazy high vpip, we can get into even like K5 hands but at these limits a lot have grown out of that. However, I don't think it really even matters unless he bet into us and we had to evaluate there.

I haven't looked at the second hand yet. One hand per post kekekekekeke. No, really, I like it better in 1 thread like this anyway.

edit: hand 2, I myself might be a litlle bit scared of those 10s. I mean, if he is an idiots, it's tough to really say what he has. You would think that he would 3 bet K's and Q's pre-flop so I just don't know what Given thinks will call us. A lot of what we might call idiots at 50NL are somewhat competant preflop (3 bet K's and Q's pre-flop ). I don't see how we can be pretty confident that he will call us down with 99, 88, JJ, flush draws. If the ten scared you, it will have some effect on him. I am worried because we don't seem to have a specific read that the flush draw will call us. It is a really bad flush draw. In conclusion, I would like to see him in a recent hand having called down on a draw. Or better yet, called down and sucked out on a draw recently