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Old 08-28-2009, 04:14 PM
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No stats on villain. For this hand, I wanna go through my entire thought process on the hand and I def. want you guys to critique me to the max here.

So UTG raises, and I flat with AQo, b/c it is a UTG raise and b/c 3-betting w/ AQo here is a bit thin and I don't want to build a pot before the flop.

The flop is great for me as I hit TPTK on a fairly dry board. When villain checks it to me... I decide to check it back b/c I want to disguise the strength of my hand in order to get value in future streets because villain most likely missed the board here. Without any stats, I don't know what his raise pf/check flop line represents, but I assumed here that he missed the board. Sure... I could be losing value from TT or JJ on this street... but with a delayed bet, I thought that there would be good chances to get value from those hands on the turn and river.

The turn is a actually not a bad card for me. Sure, flush potential, but I'm not too worried about that here. When villain checks to me, I'm 90% sure I have the best hand and I bet for value. His call screams flush draw, or a mid pocket pair.

River brings the Ace; and now he bets into me. This bet is strange, as his line screams strength here. What would you do? I feel like fold, call, and raise are all options here.

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($27.50)
UTG ($25.85)
MP ($12.55)
Hero (CO) ($20.10)
Button ($19.50)
SB ($17.55)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, Q
UTG bets $0.70, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.70, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.70) Q, 3, 4 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.70) 10 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.10, UTG calls $1.10

River: ($3.90) A (2 players)
UTG bets $2.15. Hero?
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:15 PM
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Definitely bet the flop for value.

River is usually a raise for value for me, against the most passive-nittiest players calling is fine.
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Old 08-28-2009, 06:04 PM
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Flop check is fine.

River = raise raise raise
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Old 08-28-2009, 06:56 PM
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I bet the flop and call the river. I'm not sure what worse hands you guys think check the flop and call a river raise.
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Old 08-28-2009, 09:15 PM
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Ax leads river and calls raise a ton. You are only afraid of flushes really, KJ every once in awhile. Never folding that riv, btw.

I think checking this flop is pretty bad. Why would you check it?
UTG raises are like 22+ Ax, KQ, Assorted SC's. Bet for value.
Pocket pairs will call a lot, and if they don't they wont usually call on later streets without improving. Draws will call a lot, and if you check they will fold a decent amount if turn bricks and they check to you. What are you hoping to get extra value from by checking?
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Old 08-28-2009, 09:51 PM
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Bet the flop... you should try to go for 3 streets with TPTK.

Turn, as played I would bet bigger, maybe $1.40 or $1.50, once again: VALUE.

He would play any hand with Ad this way, so you shouldn't even consider folding your hand. He would also play any AT like this (if they are in his UTG range). He could also just have a bare ace high, like AK or AJ sometimes. I don't understand why he wouldn't cbet KJ like always on this flop... it's not like that has tons of showdown value and the board isn't so scary he'd check and give up too often.

However, he shouldn't really ever call a raise here with worse hands... even AT would be very marginal call for him. I wouldn't raise this river unless I had some reads, that he's like terribad callingstation.
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Old 08-28-2009, 11:21 PM
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You have to bet the flop with the flush draw out there.
Call the river. You see Ad alot.

If he has a big hand, he certainly didn't get value for it.
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