3 bet pot, 3 bet on the flop

[Silverthunder]

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (CO) ($29.70)
Button ($8.65)
SB ($26.55)
BB ($34.20)
UTG ($20.30)
MP ($31.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A:club:, A:diamond:
1 fold, MP bets $0.70, Hero raises to $2.20, 3 folds, MP calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.70) 7:spade:, 6:club:, 3:club: (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4.70) 9:spade: (2 players)
MP bets $2.35, Hero raises to $6.70, MP raises to $22.45, Hero folds

Total pot: $18.10

this guy was pretty aggressive. I caught him bluffing at least 2 times in the 2 previous orbits. They were bluffs on a mostly rag board; one time he bet half pot on the turn and river with air, the other time he had a gutshot & did a pot sized bet on the flop (in an unraised pot so it was only 2BBs). I didn't have any experience with his aggression in these raised pots.

My image with him is that I would call down a little bit light. I called him down on those bluffs with like second pair, weak kicker type hands.

At this limit, it is pretty common for players to see a flop without having proper set odds.

I guess it was probably a mistake to fold this hand. I just really thought he had a set here.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.727% 47.73% 00.00% 3024 0.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 52.273% 52.27% 00.00% 3312 0.00 { JJ-99, 77-66, 33

[given1982]

Bet the flop.

[urbansprawler]

Did you have an aggro postflop image? Did he slowplay at all?

As a default bet flop but your hand is soooo under-repped I really want to call, especially if you've been a little loose lately and/or 3b'ing quite a bit.

FWIW I don't think folding is bad.

[Silverthunder]

Originally Posted by urbansprawler

Did you have an aggro postflop image? Did he slowplay at all?

As a default bet flop but your hand is soooo under-repped I really want to call, especially if you've been a little loose lately and/or 3b'ing quite a bit.

FWIW I don't think folding is bad.

no, I did not have an aggro post flop image to this guy. I just had an image of mind reading and floating his barrels.
edit: I did not see him slow play before but the tendancy with the average player is to slow play big hands, like sets.

Given, the reason that I checked behind on this flop was for value. The guy had been really aggressive & I thought there were AQ QK AKs in his range that would bluff the turn.

In this hand, I think I was on tilt a little bit from actually the day before, when I was playing a 50NL hand in a raised pot. J high flop & I have Qs, we all get in one pot sized bet (3 way) & that puts one guy all in. The turn blanks & I fire out for 60% of pot, calls. River is an ace & I put out a blocking bet, which was probably like 30% of pot and he shoved, I call. Horrible play; he shows AJ & the guy that was all in on the flop had bottom set (set mined without proper set odds). The guy that I played 4th and 5th st with, one of us had the other covered to like 120BBs. Even if it wasn't this specific hand that put me on "reacting to shove tilt," I was leaking chips the last few sessions trying to deal with these aggromonkeys that are firing every single flop & so I tried to float a bunch of them and play back & was leaking quite a bit.. Without a HUD, it's just tough to know when someone is an aggromonkey versus when they are just hitting like 5 flops in a row that they are in the pot for. Anyways, I am playing a mix of 20NL and 50NL; the 20NL to kind of get me back into the rhythym of outplaying opponents and winning.

[couriermike]

b/3b-shove the flop. Since he's aggressive most of his range will be draws.

I like the turn fold if you haven't seen him shove postflop before.

[kgu1]

I'm def. firing the flop here and snap calling if he shoves all-in. That's such a dry flop for your hand and you're getting called by 88 - KK all the time.

[Silverthunder]

Originally Posted by couriermike

b/3b-shove the flop. Since he's aggressive most of his range will be draws.

I like the turn fold if you haven't seen him shove postflop before.

not much of a sample size with this guy.. I don't think that I had played him much in previous sessions. I didn't have any knowledge of him being aggressive with 3 bets. then again, I don't think I saw him get raised before postflop.

I think I probably should have called. My equity is just so good. A 20NL player here, here, remember they don't think. There is a good chance he is not on the level of "what worse hands call my shove?"

On the flop, though, things are a lot nicer because of the flush draw that will call you. On a rainbow board, I can check behind an aggressive player unless he has a history of floating the overs, right?

[urbansprawler]

If you check flop and raise turn I think you have forced yourself into a very tough spot. Neither folding nor calling can be too bad.

[zomfgwtfbbq]

Originally Posted by kgu1

I'm def. firing the flop here and snap calling if he shoves all-in. That's such a dry flop for your hand and you're getting called by 88 - KK all the time.

This and what everyone said bout betting on the flop and getting it in.

[chinz]

Don't raise for value and then fold in 3bet pots with 150bb stacks, EVER. If you decide to check back the flop (which is btw signaling more strenght than cbetting) you should just call down (bet the riv if checked to obv) if you don't want to raise/call the turn.

I would 3bet a little more preflop with these stacks. His setmining (if he did) isn't really bad with that 3bet size and stacks.