Another "can I call with AK high here" hand

[nawhead]

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($6)
Hero (BB) ($9.21)
UTG ($18.89)
MP ($26.78)
CO ($11.34)
Button ($1.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Button bets $1.15 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.50, UTG calls $2.25

Flop: ($6.25) J, 9, 5 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $3, UTG raises to $16.39 (All-In),

Pot's laying me 4.3 to 1. But I choked and failed at the math during the hand due to villain's push.

I'm trying really hard (maybe my best isn't good enough yet) to get heads up with the guy who pushes OTB with 4.75 bb's. I put UTG donkey on some trashy hand or small pair they obviously have to see EVERY flop with.

Villain who limp-cold called UTG is a 50 vpip with 5 ag factor.

I felt my undersized 3bet would get a lot of respect since it's the first time I've 3bet on this table. I was wrong.

[Silverthunder]

I must ask the standard question. Do we know anything else about the villain?

I don't use a HUD; do you know how that aggression factor is calculated? I know that it's high but what is like the highest aggression factor that you will ever see?

Given what we have so far..
If the villain has made a pair & doesn't share any of the same hole cards with use, then we have about 25% equity against him. We are putting slighly less than a 25% contribution into the side pot with this villain. I would say call because he may have slightly worse than a pair, like a draw for example. We also have a tiny bit of equity in the main pot.

[tmiby]

Originally Posted by nawhead

I felt my undersized 3bet would get a lot of respect since it's the first time I've 3bet on this table. I was wrong.

...don't think that works on those limits...UTG didn't even realise that: He was limping UTG, which in 99% is a bad and weak play anyway. I put him on any pair or any two pictures.
very likely he hit the J.

But you were only 37 BB deep. CALL.

Sug.: raise more pre, bigger Cbet, then it's a non brainer to call.

[Richy47]

I'm trying really hard (maybe my best isn't good enough yet) to get heads up with the guy who pushes OTB with 4.75 bb's.

If this is your goal then why are you not raising more preflop?!

[chinz]

Why would you want to call here? It doesn't make sense for him to shove weak draws into somewhat dry sidepot.

He has TPGK or better most of the time. I wouldn't even bet this flop, because that hits he's limping range a lot. Any 9x, any Jx, TQ, 8T, clubs and even like KQ with overs+gutter will peel/shove quite often.

I would just check/fold this flop. If the board would've been JT5, I would cbet a lil bit bigger and call shove.

[given1982]

Reload prehand, shove preflop.

[nawhead]

Originally Posted by given1982

Reload prehand, shove preflop.

Shove 100bb's over a 4.5 bb shortstack push is the best play? I was considering pushing but I didn't think even with < 50bb's it was correct. The gain for what's in the middle doesn't seem worth it.

I was considering loose UTG who would call and I get a side pot going with him when he has trash. With the small 3bet I'd like to get HU with 4.5 bb guy, but maybe I actually don't mind if UTG calls me in a small part of my mind. Wouldn't you want to play with a 50 vpip with a little extra on the side? Or am I thinking way too creatively?

I didn't play postflop right, which maybe should go through my mind when thinking of these things, but is there any merit to this?


Whether to call or fold.
My equity should be about 15% with just the naked overcards in a 3 way pot. With UTG pushing have any TP, pair + flush draw or better, my equity is about 20% vs him alone. I didn't put him on a naked straight draw or anything, that's super aggro, his AF is high but I never saw that that kind of aggression from him.

Side pot is bout 12.50. Main pot is about 3.

20% equity on side 12.5
15% equity on main 3

3.4 to 1 on side
worse than 1 to 1 on main


So the way I'm doing it the main pot actually makes my overall call worse, so it's less reason to call. Vs how Silverthunder thinks the extra equity in the main gives us more reason to call.

Or another way of thinking, odds to call for side pot is slightly wrong. Odds to call for main is very wrong. So odds to call for whole is more than slightly wrong.

So 2 guys think it's a call, 1 thinks standard fold. I'm also thinking fold here. But I probably should have just pushed pre like Given said.

[AdrienD]

Originally Posted by given1982

Reload prehand, shove preflop.

+1

wouldn't cbet this flop vs a 50VPIP/5AF that coldcalled pre.
That just hits his range waaay too often.

Just fold now, you're either slightly ahead vs draws or crushed vs any pair.

[Richy47]

Originally Posted by nawhead

Shove 100bb's over a 4.5 bb shortstack push is the best play? I was considering pushing but I didn't think even with < 50bb's it was correct. The gain for what's in the middle doesn't seem worth it.

Shoving 100bb's is not the best play, however since you have only 40bb's it is correct since any reasonable 3bet is going to pot commit you anyway

[given1982]

Originally Posted by nawhead

Shove 100bb's over a 4.5 bb shortstack push is the best play?

Are you talking about the same hand history that you posted at the beginning of this thread? Because your question has nothing to do with that.