Playing a pocket pair with an overcard on the board.

[Silverthunder]

I just spotted villain on the scene maybe a week ago. However, I believe that he may have changed his screen name to a very similar one (just a theory). Regardless, he seems pretty solid, not many notes on him, except that I did see him stealing from the blinds with a 94o.

I also saw this line played by him.. Q high flop, cchecks round on the flop (heads up) , turns 2nd pair 10s, top kicker, checks round, c/c the river & takes it down with the better kicker.

I am actually more curious as to how to play this hand against an unknown. Can I fold the flop or call the river ever?

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($24)
CO ($16.10)
Button ($51.40)
Hero (SB) ($60.25)
BB ($294.55)
UTG ($20.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10:spade:, 10:club:
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Button calls $0.50, Hero bets $2.95, BB calls $2.45, UTG calls $2.45, Button calls $2.45

Flop: ($11.80) K:club:, 6:club:, 6:heart: (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Button checks

Turn: ($11.80) 5:diamond: (4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $9.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $9.30

River: ($30.40) 3:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $10.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $30.40

[podbelski]

I'd bet strong the flop or at least the turn, and check/fold the river against this guy...
And against an unknown the line your've taken is awful I beleive, it's almost clear for him that you do not have a K and scared.

[chinz]

Bet the turn yourself.

[Silverthunder]

Originally Posted by podbelski

I'd bet strong the flop or at least the turn, and check/fold the river against this guy...
And against an unknown the line your've taken is awful I beleive, it's almost clear for him that you do not have a K and scared.

bet into 4 players- I can't see how doing that on the flop can be good. On the turn, I guess it doesn't seem that bad. Maybe bet half pot on the turn and half pot on the river?

It's highly conceivable that the BB has the king and didn't bet the flop because of so many players in the hand. Not uncommon for first position out of 4 to check TP, so he is still up against 3 players, essentially, on that flop. Players at this limit can be pretty passive so even on the turn he shows some strength when betting it 4 way.

I think his range on the river is pocket 8s up to strong king.

[Silverthunder]

Originally Posted by chinz

Bet the turn yourself.

and then check the river? What is the maximum bet amt that we can all on the river?

Also, how would we adjust for an opponent that has the reputation of slow playing/ passive if say this were heads up.

I leak a lot on hands like this, especially at 100NL.

[podbelski]

I agree that betting the flop is risky, and more inclined to a turn bet when the flop was checked through. But bet it strong, as like you play a monster and were going to check-raise the flop but was not given a chance.
The problem with your play (checking flop&turn) is that you make it much more difficult for yourself to understand where you are at, essentially playing a guessing game without much information...

[Spinage]

I wouldn't bet it strong like you had a monster... just because nobody will call with worse.. a king is probably not folding to any bet size, but mid pocket pairs and flush draws might call a 3/5 pot bet on the turn.

On the river I don't really know but I guess I'd c/call any non club and c/fold any club (that isn't the 6) against unknown, dependant on bet size. Or would any one bet/fold a club river?

[podbelski]

Originally Posted by Spinage

I wouldn't bet it strong like you had a monster... just because nobody will call with worse.. a king is probably not folding to any bet size, but mid pocket pairs and flush draws might call a 3/5 pot bet on the turn.

Thats reasonable.
What I'm still unsure is how can we check the flop. If we check, what is the plan if the button bets? Both folding and calling does not seem good for me

[nawhead]

This is a bad spot for sure. You're trying to squeeze out value from hands like 99-77 when they're scared of getting thin valued by QQ-TT.

It's so easy the way this hand saw the flop 4 ways that someone has a king. Unless you have some ability to barrel these types of situations, or know someone who does (villain here from your history doesn't seem the type), I wouldn't get involved.

I sometimes bet on turn with stuff like AJ,AQ just to see if I still have best hand and hoping stuff like 88-TT somtimes just mucks, and it's unlikely anybody raises without trips or boat anyway.

So since I would do that (maybe it's bad, but I do it), I'd probably squeeze some value out of my TT there. The regular connected draws missed, so I might barrel again on river to make paired up draws mucks.

At this point I usually get raised by slowplayed boats... or maybe I'm being bluffed???

[mxrider]

I think the biggest problem in this hand is raising pre in the first place. You have a good but very vulnerable hand and with 2 people already in the pot before it gets to you, it's unlikely you will get HU in this. From what I remember of 50nl at cake, people don't fold and you will be OOP the entire hand and there are going to be a huge amount of flops you are going to hate. If you are going to raise this in this spot, a K66 board is one you have to cbet imo.