Get a call then a raise on monotone flop

[Silverthunder]

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($90.60)
SB ($29.15)
BB ($56.35)
Hero (UTG) ($49)
MP ($20)
CO ($50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, K
Hero bets $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, 3 folds

Flop: ($4.75) J, 10, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.55, CO calls $4.55

Turn: ($13.85) A (2 players)
Hero bets $13, CO raises to $43.45 (All-In), Hero ??

Easy fold or is he doing this enough with 2 pair and the flush draw or worse straight?

The reason for the full size pot bets is that these idiots call you with the draw and so we want to valuetown them.

I had not played a lot with the villain/ had not noticed anything obscure about his play.

[AdrienD]

Originally Posted by Silverthunder

Easy fold or is he doing this enough with 2 pair and the flush draw or worse straight?

The reason for the full size pot bets is that these idiots call you with the draw and so we want to valuetown them.

I had not played a lot with the villain/ had not noticed anything obscure about his play.

think you have to call.. I don't have pokerstove here but I just dont see many flopped flushed in his range because I assume he is more likely to be a TAG (you didnt notice him+he is fullstacked. you wouldve most likely noticed him limping or playing lots of hands):
8s7s, (6s5s), KsQs, AsQs
but he could also easily have just called IP (vs your UTG open) with:
99/TT/JJ/AJ/JTs

Its not a fistpump call but I still think its a call..

[Silverthunder]

Originally Posted by AdrienD

think you have to call.. I don't have pokerstove here but I just dont see many flopped flushed in his range because I assume he is more likely to be a TAG (you didnt notice him+he is fullstacked. you wouldve most likely noticed him limping or playing lots of hands):
8s7s, (6s5s), KsQs, AsQs
but he could also easily have just called IP (vs your UTG open) with:
99/TT/JJ/AJ/JTs

Its not a fistpump call but I still think its a call..

yea, and in the heat of battle, I actually wasn't able to fully consider the preflop action into my call. But, yeah, I guess 10s and Jacks should be in his range, too so that helps the call.

Players that I have seen, though, do tend to overplay suited cards preflop.

Probably the higher the limit here, the easier the call.

If the turn blanked, I would be much more likely to lay it down.

[mxrider]

It appears that you only need to be good here ~33% of the time based on the potsize and I would think you have enough equity vs his entire range here to make the call. While I'm expecting to lose this to a flopped flush a good portion of the time, I can see AsXx, 99, TT, JJ, 87 all playing this way.

[Silverthunder]

I think it is a little bit more marginal than you guys think at 50NL but probably still a call IMO. If it's a min raise, you fold, though, I really think, or fold on the next st versus a minraise.

[mxrider]

So you don't think JJ, TT, 99, 87s, KQo, KQs, AsJx AsTx Ax9x would take this line?

putting in a range of the following we have a call.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

49,500 games 0.005 secs 9,900,000 games/sec

Board: Js Ts 9s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.307% 48.35% 07.96% 23931 3941.00 { KhQd }
Hand 1: 43.693% 35.73% 07.96% 17687 3941.00 { JcJd, JcJh, JdJh, TcTd, TcTh, TdTh, 9c9d, 9c9h, 9d9h, AsKs, AsQs, KcQc, KsQs, JcTc, JdTd, JhTh, Tc9c, Td9d, Th9h, 87s, 7s6s, 6s5s, 5s4s, 4s3s, 3s2s, AsJc, AsJd, AsJh, KcQh, KcQs, KdQc, KdQh, KdQs, KsQc, KsQh, 87o }


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[given1982]

I think it's a call because you'll see AsXx a lot, but I'm not pumping my fist.

[tekwiN]

I'm going with a call here and expecting villain to show AsXx/JJ/TT/99. Def not fist pumping though

[nawhead]

Originally Posted by Silverthunder

The reason for the full size pot bets is that these idiots call you with the draw and so we want to valuetown them.

And the reason for the all in bet is because we're going to put them on a hand we beat sometimes and call drawing near dead. Your pot bets, while getting value, also signaled you can't fold to any action. We just got value owned. Or bluffed by an idiot. Reload and start again.

Play your hand face up, expect to get played back face up, pending specific reads (either you have on them or they have on you, which there aren't here).

We can put a range of AJ or something to villain the same way we can expect villain to randomly start not paying attention to board texture. Meaning we're just guessing our ass off when we anaylze like this. It's a really bad bluff or he's got us drawing dead. We need to subtract villains' range for frequency of spaz for anything we beat.

This isn't a fist pump. This is a crying call at best, assuming villain has a high enough spaz factor.

[chinz]

Not happy, not folding (same as everyone else!)