4 bet pot OOP with overs

[Silverthunder]

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($25.90)
MP ($50)
Button ($74.70)
Hero (SB) ($49.50)
BB ($45.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A:club:, K:heart:
UTG bets $1, MP (poster) raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9, 2 folds, MP (poster) calls $6

Flop: ($19.50) J:diamond:, 10:diamond:, 7:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $13.55, MP calls $13.55

Turn: ($46.60) 2:heart: (2 players)
Hero ????


The villain was an unknown, completely. I had just sat down at the table. I guess the 4 bet pre was bad but I was trying to take it down/see where I am at (ie. does he have AA or KK). Maybe could have done a very small 4 bet & given up on the flop w/ no cbet or check raised the flop? Players at this limit seem very inclined to call 3 bets and 4 bets so I think a small 4 bet give us like no information. I also think they call check raises very light.

I think my problem is that I just don't know how to handle 3 bet/ 4 bet OOP.

[given1982]

Preflop is fine. You have lots of options on the flop. If you're going to bet, I'd bet smaller. You can also c/f or even c/shove if you're feeling frisky.

[Silverthunder]

Originally Posted by given1982

Preflop is fine. You have lots of options on the flop. If you're going to bet, I'd bet smaller. You can also c/f or even c/shove if you're feeling frisky.

I am always hesitant to vary my cbet size.
On monotone flops, I like to lead out for very close to full pot to deter draws. Also, lead out for close to full pot on other drawy boards.

What do you think about the turn?

[given1982]

Originally Posted by Silverthunder

I am always hesitant to vary my cbet size.
On monotone flops, I like to lead out for very close to full pot to deter draws. Also, lead out for close to full pot on other drawy boards.

Well you need to get over that. The more money that goes in preflop, the smaller you should be cbetting. This is a basic NLHE concept.

Originally Posted by Silverthunder

What do you think about the turn?

C/f. What worse hands do you think he'll call with? What better hands do you think he'll fold?

[Silverthunder]

I did not know that varying bet size was stnd concept. Vary bet size just according to the pot size & the texture of the flop so that it's not exploitable?

[LuckyStraights]

Originally Posted by Silverthunder

I did not know that varying bet size was stnd concept. Vary bet size just according to the pot size & the texture of the flop so that it's not exploitable?

You should be c-betting, and betting in general smaller in a 3b pot, because stacks are shallower so u can get the money in without making big bets when your ahead, it also allows you to make cheaper bluffs.

If you have a nut type hand vs a fish though, obviously bet as much as he'll call and get the money in asap, 3b pot or not.

[AdrienD]

i'd check/fold flop.

don't see him folding much on this board.
He's atleast peeling 1 with 99/AQ/AK and will stack off TT+
not much else in his preflop 3bet/calling range imo...

[urbansprawler]

$10 looks like a good bet here; you have two overs (only one card may be good, though) and a gutshot. Marginally profitable cbet imo.


EDIT: Didn't notice it was 4bet. C/f IMO.

[Silverthunder]

Originally Posted by AdrienD

i'd check/fold flop.

don't see him folding much on this board.
He's atleast peeling 1 with 99/AQ/AK and will stack off TT+
not much else in his preflop 3bet/calling range imo...

yea, sucks being out of position :

So it sounds from what I am hearing that we would want to cbet vs a loose preflop caller; otherwise, c/f?

[AdrienD]

Originally Posted by Silverthunder

yea, sucks being out of position :

So it sounds from what I am hearing that we would want to cbet vs a loose preflop caller; otherwise, c/f?

He 3bets UTG so his range is going to be tight even if he calls his whole range pre so I still wouldn't cbet this board.

If he 3bets really wide and calls 4bets really wide then maybe cause those type of players tend to shove gutshots & shit.

If for example, this was just a 3bet pot in LP (he raises BU or CO and you 3bet from blinds) and you knew he was calling 3bets light, then yes this could be a cbet (maybe check/shove is better then)