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Old 09-13-2009, 10:37 AM
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CO ($48.20)
Button ($50.55)
Hero (SB) ($52.25)
BB ($52.05)
UTG ($161.70)
MP ($123.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7:club:, 7:spade:
4 folds, Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3) 8:club:, J:spade:, 7:diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $2, BB raises to $5.50, Hero ????


the villain is a multitabling regular, appears to be a winning player. He doesn't seem to do anything unconventional. The only thing that I thought is that he might float you on paired flops but that could be wrong.

I guess really my question is will these regulars stack off with 2 pair or like top pait, top kicker blind vs blind?

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Old 09-13-2009, 07:54 PM
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I think you have to raise to protect your hand here, he could be doing this raise as a bluff, with a variety of weaker hands or draws, so you have to 3b, if comes over the top he could have a straight, but then your getting a good price for continue for your boat, so I 3b and get it in.
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:03 PM
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The only hand I'm really scared to see is pocket 88, any other possibilities are behind your set, and you are not that big dog against a straight...
So yes, I'd 3bet as well, and doubt we can fold on this flop
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It really comes down to what you think he does with J9/J8/air. As a default, 3bet/folding doesn't look toogross and calling looks okay as well.
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It really comes down to what you think he does with J9/J8/air. As a default, 3bet/folding doesn't look toogross and calling looks okay as well.
I don't think that the villain would do this with air & probably not with a gutshot either.

I do not know what he would do with the 2 pair hands, I am thinking some villains would.

I think the villain's range is something like 75% straight & maybe 25% 2 pair. I don't know, though. I think a set might just try to slow play a lot more but I could be wrong.
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Old 09-14-2009, 03:19 AM
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Well, I'm putting him on a range like
KJ, QJ, JT, J8, T9, 88, 78 (both suited/unsuited), I'm not including even AJ/J7/J9, and your equity against this range is more than 70%.

I would be much more concerned about how to get it in with his entire range rather than trying to convince myself that I'm beat now...
So the question is how much can he call with the bottom of his range? I'd go for a raise to 13-15 and see what happens. Obviously I'm happy to get it in right away, but expect he will call with weaker hands, continue firing turn/river in this case.

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Raise to ~$17, call a shove
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Old 09-14-2009, 04:22 AM
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I don't think that the villain would do this with air & probably not with a gutshot either.

I do not know what he would do with the 2 pair hands, I am thinking some villains would.

I think the villain's range is something like 75% straight & maybe 25% 2 pair. I don't know, though. I think a set might just try to slow play a lot more but I could be wrong.
75% straight? why should he raise a flopped straight IP when villain cbets anyway? He can call down and MIGHT raise turn.

He has to expect a high fold percentage to his raise, and that's not was he is looking for.

I put him on 88, 78, jt+.

3Bet and try to get it in asap.
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Well, I'm putting him on a range like
KJ, QJ, JT, J8, T9, 88, 78 (both suited/unsuited), I'm not including even AJ/J7/J9, and your equity against this range is more than 70%.
I don't think that Jx one pair hands would be in his range. Even J7 might get folded preflop. It's a relatively tight regular.

I think we get it in here but if he shoves over our 3 bet, we are not too happy but call anyway.
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I think he will fold J7 pre, but JT+ would call imo
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