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Old 01-09-2010, 12:41 AM
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Hand 1: I obviously should have check folded the turn right? wtf was I thinking.. I think that I planned to check raise a turn, but I failed to re-evaluate after the 4 came, nuking my equity if I hit the flush anyway. I was drawing to like the 4th nuts at that point anyway. No reads on this player at the time.

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (4 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($20.31)
BB ($21.94)
UTG ($35.46)
Button ($20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, K
2 folds, Hero bets $0.60, BB calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.20) 4, 8, A (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, BB raises to $1.70, Hero calls $0.95

Turn: ($4.60) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $3.60, Hero calls $3.60

Total pot: $11.80
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Hand 2: I had to call obviously due to pot odds, but should I have played the hand differently at any point? No reads except I read the limp/call as weak. Thought maybe he had a straight draw or overcards or a combo.

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($11.50)
BB ($30.17)
UTG ($10.90)
MP ($10.83)
Hero (CO) ($27.24)
Button ($11.11)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9, 9
1 fold, MP calls $0.20, Hero bets $1.10, 3 folds, MP calls $0.90

Flop: ($2.50) 6, 3, 7 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2, MP calls $2

Turn: ($6.50) 3 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $4.75, MP raises to $7.73 (All-In), Hero calls.

Total pot: $21.96
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Hand 3: I think that I probably should have put the shortstack all in when he jammed pot, but there was a guy still to act after me so I decided not to at the time. I read the jam as overcards or a weak pair/ weaker kicker than mine. I felt that folding TPGK to short stack pot jams is just too weak and nitty. I was planning to put him all in anyway I just didn't want to get re-raised by the guy left to act. I was pot committed so folding the turn wasn't an option.

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (CO) ($19.90)
Button ($11.28)
SB ($5.55)
BB ($5.33)
UTG ($32.22)
MP ($11.40)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, Q
2 folds, Hero bets $0.60, Button calls $0.60, SB calls $0.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($2) 10, 4, 5 (3 players)
SB bets $2, Hero calls $2, 1 fold

Turn: ($6) 8 (2 players)
SB raises to $2.95 (All-In), Hero calls $2.95

River: ($11.90) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $11.90
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Hand 4: I must have misclicked or something, I never limp in the cutoff, or really ever at all. So besides that I should have raised 3x or so if I was going to play it, how's my postflop play? No reads on villain until his shove looked like I was beat.

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($10.49)
BB ($27.61)
UTG ($11.80)
MP ($10.38)
Hero (CO) ($30.34)
Button ($12)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, K
2 folds, Hero calls $0.20, Button (poster) bets $0.60, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.50) K, 10, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $1, Button raises to $2.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($5.90) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button raises to $9.20 (All-In), Hero ?

Total pot: $5.90

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Old 01-09-2010, 08:43 AM
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Hand 1: shove the flop if you like variance, I'm not sure but it seems spewy for me overall.
As played, yep I'd check-folded that turn. It might be ok to check-call the turn against sticky opps if it bricks or gives you extra outs and he bets no more than say 3/4 pot.

Hand 2: on the turn, you are beating 67 but losing to any 3, that in addition to 45/66/77 that were beating you on the flop. I assume 88/99 still in his range but TT+ are very unlikely. So, if you feel like he's shoving or folding the turn and it is unlikely you will win if stacked off, check behind for pot control, which is kinda sucks for me. I see it is his short stack making your decisions tougher, TBH I'm potting it on the flop and either calling his shove or shoving the turn myself. Cooler if you are beat.

Hand 3: Did you plan to fold if the BTN raised after you called a donk-bet?
The problem with calling is if BTN calls too you are 100% in a more difficult spot on the turn. What was your plan if the BTN flatted as well and turn was 3-flush/straight-completing/brick/overcard and(obv) the SB puts the rest of his stack in?
Really, no info on the BTN => tough to say what is better, I can see shoving is okay cause it's easier, and as played is not bad also.

Hand 4: Unusual situation, I'm taking a passive line, folding to some T/R cards that hit his range.
What was the purpose of your donkbet? Information? You've got it - he has a hand and not going anywhere, so fold or prepare to stack off (60bb deep...). Calling to fold the turn is bad here IMO, I mean if you called the flop it's to keep weaker hands like QQ/JJ in the pot. So, as played, fold/shove the flop or call the turn.
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:59 AM
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Grunch.

Hand 1: Call's better vs some villain's rarely too bad, but folding's fine.

Hand 2: This is fine.

Hand 3: Absolutely standard. I'd just raise and jam though.

Hand 4: Do not donk bet. As played, call, because your line looks weak/drawy.
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Old 01-09-2010, 11:40 PM
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as far as hand 4 goes, the reason I bet the flop was for value. I'm leading most flops, and even though I wasn't the preflop raiser, I don't really give a shit honestly. I don't think I need to check to the raiser and take a check-call passive line just w/ top pair. I guess I messed up pre flop and played it postflop like I normally would had I raised like I meant to.

I felt like folding to a near min raise on the flop was super weak, and I probably wouldn't have folded if he didn't shove. Too many times in the past I've called all in w/ KQ in this spot and I've rarely won. I let TP go against that much resistance unless I have top kicker.
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Old 01-10-2010, 05:36 AM
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Quote:
I don't really give a shit honestly.
Yeah, if you don't care, then don't ask.
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Old 01-10-2010, 07:43 AM
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I felt like folding to a near min raise on the flop was super weak, and I probably wouldn't have folded if he didn't shove.
I don't advocate folding, I mean once you bet-called and the stacks are shallow you are committing yourself or spewing money. I guarantee he bets turn like always in that situation, so my point is if you don't feel ready to stack-off then calling the flop to reevaluate is a spew.

I think his turn bet size does not matter much, shove can mean he is either weak or just tries to look bluffy, small bet can mean he is either weak or just tries not to scare you off and going to shove the river.

Did you really folded?
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Old 01-11-2010, 02:13 AM
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When I said I don't give a shit, I meant that I wasn't the preflop raiser. I'm not going to take a passive line and haver no idea where I'm at just because I accidently didn't raise preflop. I didn't mean I don't care about all your opinions, because I do.

Yes podbelski, I folded. Although my call on the flop may have been a spewy mistake I did for pot odds, I think it is worse to call the turn shove just because I called the flop. (compounding mistakes just because I made one on an earlier street). I was thinking he was doing a weak steal attempt. In retrospect, I think you are correct and I'm always facing a tough decision on the turn.

Overall, my point was checking to the raiser, JUST because I accidently limp called instead of raised, is weak, unless I'm doing it to induce a bluff. Appreciate all your comments! =]
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Old 01-11-2010, 07:56 AM
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People generally check to the raiser for a reason, because they can induce cbets and barrels. It is not "weak" to check call. If you think it is strong enough, then check raise, by all means.

If you do lead, you must stack off because your range may be perceived weak and bluffy.
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