Dropping Red Line

[JL_Rounder]

I am playing 25nl on Full tilt. I have watched about all of Trikkur's videos, some of them more than once. The games on FT seem much harder then the ones I see on Aced or Cake. I get checked raised way more and 3-bet a ton.

I try to play a TAG 19/17 style. I noticed the tighter I play the more my Holdem Manager non-show down winnings line takes a dive. Most people say it should be about break even, but mine is far from that. Should I be concerned about this?? Or is this just to be expected?? I have not seen one of Trikkur's HEM graphs to compare with.

I have been a downswing for a little over a month, and of course start to question everything. Any advice would be helpful.

[ourfarmpica]

Hi!


I'm not the man to answer but... My non showdown winning is going down too but my showdown wining is going up. Before i have seen the videos here i had huge downswing and big upswings. These videos stabilized, balanced my strategy. My graph line slowed down a little to go up but most of my sessions are closing with +2BI +3 BI on 500 hands. In the past i could manage just 2 tables, now with this strategy i play on 4 turbo table or 5 normal and i play more hands than before. Today i was playing 1000 hands on 4 tables, i won 1 BI maybe you say is bullshit... but i think if i can do every day just this +1BI for me is just fine. So i think this strategy is not magic but its working fine...

[urbansprawler]

Redline is not a manisfestation of not bluffing enough, it can mean different things such as:

-You don't value bet thin enough.
-You play the top part of your range poorly.
-You check down too often (similar to #1).

Check your DB stats and such to make sure you are aggressive; if redline is still losing and stats look good, you probably should look at those three.

But in general, to fix a redline woe:

-3bet wider.
-Double barrel wider.
-Cbet wider.

[JL_Rounder]

I am sure I have multiple issues with my game. I don't deal with 3 bets very well for 1.
My overall aggression is 42%, over about 20k hands this month. My W$WSF is 47.3% My red line was going up at the first of the month and so was my bankroll. But then it all came crashing down, so to speak.
I know I don't read hands as well as I would like on the river so I am not sure when to value bet. I appreciate all the help on these forums and look forward to more responses.

Thanks!!

[chinz]

Originally Posted by urbansprawler

But in general, to fix a redline woe:

-3bet wider.
-Double barrel wider.
-Cbet wider.

Bluffcatching is also very big part of nonshowdown winnings... When you're a showdownmonkey and always calling down, you won't lose as much at nonshowdowns.

Anyway, in ring games (more than 2 players), it's natural for redline to go down, because if there's 3 people in the pot and it doesn't have a showdown, there's two losers and only one winner.

I would say that having breakeven/winning redline in microstakes is a leak, because there's just so many multiway pots and people aren't folding as much as they are in higher stakes.

[JL_Rounder]

Yes I see what you are saying. It is much harder to win pots at the Micro stakes without it going to showdown. (Lots of calling stations). I know it also doesn't help that I have been running bad. So when I miss the flop there is really no way to bluff against calling stations, making the red line drop even further.

I still think it would be nice to have more red line profits, makes the graph look much prettier.

[podbelski]

I found if I filter out all the hands where I just folded the blinds (chosen not to play at all, so obv losing moneys), I have a pretty graph with redline slightly above zero but almost without up-trend.