TPTK 3b Pot

[urbansprawler]

Not sure about what to do on turn tbh.

How would decision change without As?

[MOJO_ERASER]

nothing u can do.... calling an 11 dollar bet with one pair 35 percent of your stack

[TheDeKay]

In case you 3bet light in these spots as well his preflop call is --EV, cause we will win against his hand about every time he does not hit a set. Even if we only 3bet /w QQ+ and AQ+ here is preflop call is so much -EV (since we won't stack off on every board...) that it's ok to stack off postflop when we hit TP.
Here we have even a FD to go with so it's rly fine to stack off and I couldn't fold here without a soulread.

[AdrienD]

Originally Posted by TheDeKay

In case you 3bet light in these spots as well his preflop call is --EV, cause we will win against his hand about every time he does not hit a set. Even if we only 3bet /w QQ+ and AQ+ here is preflop call is so much -EV (since we won't stack off on every board...) that it's ok to stack off postflop when we hit TP.
Here we have even a FD to go with so it's rly fine to stack off and I couldn't fold here without a soulread.

While I do agree with your conclusion, I don't agree with your line of thinking in this spot.

Its not because your opponent made a mistake in the hand that therefor its ok for us to make one.

Thats like saying its OK to pay off a river flush-completing card when villain jams for pot and there is nothing we beat, just because you gave him bad potodds/implied odds on turn.

If we don't have enough equity against his range to profitably continue its a fold.

[Nostalgica]

I don't like the preflop 3bet without very specific reads. As played I consider this a standard hand. Well played otherwise.

[urbansprawler]

Originally Posted by Nostalgica

I don't like the preflop 3bet without very specific reads.

What? Anyone else thinks this isn't a standard 3-bet? I 3-bet here vs random 100% of the time.

[given1982]

Originally Posted by urbansprawler

What? Anyone else thinks this isn't a standard 3-bet? I 3-bet here vs random 100% of the time.

I think it's standard, but your sizing was really small.

[Nostalgica]

It is not necessarily bad, but to make it your standard loses you a lot of value; there is no need to balance your air squeeze range vs these players, and yet these players are not bad enough (I assume) to be calling 3bets with QT QJ or AT-. Hell even calling with KQo or AJo is really suspect if you're not a squeeze monkey (probably okay vs me or some other more aggressive 3-bettors).

imo it'd be okay to 3bet AQ if you have the dynamic/reason, but I do not think it's optimal very often, especially vs an unknown.

It will always be profitable vs randoms, because you have blockers and there is a lot of dead money, so I don't think it's really that bad, but just because it's profitable does not mean it is optimal at all. I feel like you can make so much more money potentially by flatting and also strengthening your call range, so yes, I would flat this even against good players to "balance", which somewhat contradicts what I said, but I mean that I will choose depending on the situation whether to 3bet or not, but AQ is a hand that I don't like setting a 'standard' for at all, because both players are generally so close in value that it keeps fluctuating, and to not consider it seriously at every opportunity loses you a lot of value that you may not notice because it is small... but imagine if you lose value about one in every two times you get dealt AQ facing a raise? It will add up.

Hell, you should be flatting AK QQ preflop sometimes to a single raise to balance your range. Cole South wrote a decent article on this in his book, although I do believe it is not THAT applicable to low stakes. Basically the idea is that people over-estimate the value in reraising with these hands, and underestimate the value of deception (or lowering variance) by flatting these hands and playing postflop either cautiously or aggressively to balance flop c/r ranges by having overpairs as well as something like nuts or air.

Face it, if you always 3bet JJ+, your villain has AT or any weak ten, and flop comes T22, and you check raise, aside from A2s (blocker), 22, and occasionally TT, you really have nothing in your range. Having an overpair in those spots can really reap rewards if you play it right. Am I advocating slowplay? Yes, and no. I'm just advocating whatever gets you the most money in against a range which you have the best equity against, and really, what worse hands will give JJ a lot of action when you 3bet it, and how often will they have those hands compared to the times they peel/fold (not bad obv) or have a better hand and "cooler" you?

[TheDeKay]

1. Villain called /w 33 - so it's profitable to 3bet a wide range here.
2. @Adrien: What I wrote are my anti-tilt thoughts, that I ran in the top of his range. I stack off for other reasons

[urbansprawler]

What really made me nervous was his sizing in a 3-bet pot vs two players. Anyone else think this is super-strong?