50nl-rush: getting min c/r on flop

[tmiby]

this happend on 50nl rush.

To make it short: ship it? fold? call and shove blank turn?

[tmiby]

[Nostalgica]

Call down is fine; you have blockers for QT and there are worse Ks that can b/c. The question is whether there is more value in raising. Neither options are much better than folding, but I personally would not, in the current dynamic of the game, be folding the flop.

[mxrider]

I'd probably flat here as shoving is generally going to only get called by better. I'd also likely just call a turn bet and fold if he pots it on the river unimproved.

[chinz]

Originally Posted by tmiby

call and shove blank turn?

I'm not saying this just for you, but many microstakes players here in general.

FFS STOP SHOVING YOUR BLUFFCATCHERS ON TURN, WHEN VILLAIN HAS 7 OUTS IN WORST CASE SCENARIO IF THEY ARE BLUFFING

He never has more than 15% equity here with his bluffs unless he turns a flushdraw with his gutshot or something, so you don't need to protect your hand by shoving over his turn bet, even if you think you are ahead of his range. Stacksizes aren't really allowing him to bluff too many rivers, but it wouldn't be the first time someone makes half pot bet as a desperation bluff.

[podbelski]

Weaker K/33/JJ/KJ/AK are the hands he will show the majority of the time, QT is much less likely. Really no point to raise anywhere, I like what MX suggested

[chinz]

Originally Posted by podbelski

JJ, AK

No, he doesn't have those.

QT is much less likely.

Combinatorics make QT and AT the most likely hands actually. Avarage player might more often raise when he has KJ or 33 than when he has QT or AT and thus weight his check/raising range to more value hands, but QT and AT are more likely hands for him to have if we ignore his action.

If we pokerstove our equity against [33,ATs,KJs,QTs,KJo,QTo] range, we are actually small favorites. His playing tendencies might weight his range a bit more towards value hands, but I've taken that into consideration by involving only suited AT as his complete (less than 7 outs) bluffs and not including KQ, which is a possibility. It might still be a bit optimistic, because as you said people will play draws passively somewhat often, but we're only worried about 2 hands and we are blocking one third of his KJ combinations.

[urbansprawler]

Originally Posted by mxrider

I'd probably flat here as shoving is generally going to only get called by better. I'd also likely just call a turn bet and fold if he pots it on the river unimproved.

Agree with this.

[chinz]

mx, he can't "pot the river" with these stacks unless turn goes check-check.

[podbelski]

Do not understand why you said "he can't have AK/JJ". If this is because of he would have 3bet them pre I strongly disagree, you simply can't assume every unknown at rush 3bets those 100% of the time