Double barreling, 6 potential spots

[podbelski]

This is from rush played last few days. Hope this multihand post will have some replies...

Well, looking at my current 6max style I find it is definitely good, i.e. it is clear for me I'm steadily beating the opposition with a decent winrate @NL50. Seems my main problem can be named "missed opportunities", be it valuebet spots where I check for some reason, or bluffing spots which are always tougher decisions for me.

Please, look through the hands, do you find double barreling is a correct play, or maybe you have other thoughts how to play them better?


***** Hand 1 *****

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saw flop

SB ($37.67)
BB ($28.19)
Hero (UTG) ($25)
MP ($39.68)
CO ($30.18)
Button ($24.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, Q
Hero bets $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.35) A, 9, A (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.35) K (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3.40, Hero folds

Total pot: $5.35 | Rake: $0.26


***** Hand 2 *****

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saw flop

SB ($32.89)
BB ($6.95)
Hero (UTG) ($29.59)
MP ($52.98)
CO ($54.58)
Button ($7)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7, 7
Hero bets $1, 2 folds, Button calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) 2, Q, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, Button calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.35) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $5.35 | Rake: $0.26


***** Hand 3 *****

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saw flop

SB ($26.94)
BB ($13.12)
Hero (UTG) ($25.68)
MP ($32.02)
CO ($24.23)
Button ($8.46)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7, 7
Hero bets $0.85, 1 fold, CO calls $0.85, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.05) 2, 4, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.05) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $5.05 | Rake: $0.25



***** Hand 4 *****

Opp is loose and quite aggro (30/21/AF4/about 40 hands).

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saw flop

MP ($25.56)
CO ($15.20)
Button ($11.45)
SB ($26.60)
BB ($33.12)
Hero (UTG) ($27.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, Q
Hero bets $0.85, MP calls $0.85, 4 folds

Flop: ($2.05) 4, 5, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.35, MP calls $1.35

Turn: ($4.75) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2, Hero folds

Total pot: $4.75 | Rake: $0.23


***** Hand 5 *****

Opp is LAG.

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saw flop

Hero (MP) ($37.20)
CO ($29.95)
Button ($30.36)
SB ($24.57)
BB ($25)
UTG ($20.99)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, A
1 fold, Hero bets $0.85, CO calls $0.85, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.05) 7, 7, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.45, CO calls $1.45

Turn: ($4.95) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.75, Hero folds

Total pot: $4.95 | Rake: $0.24


***** Hand 6 *****

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saw flop

BB ($58.75)
UTG ($72.15)
MP ($424.30)
Hero (CO) ($50)
Button ($79.15)
SB ($101.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, Q
2 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.50) 4, 4, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3, 1 fold, BB calls $3

Turn: ($10.50) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($10.50) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero folds

Total pot: $10.50 | Rake: $0.50

[tmiby]

just quick...
I could double barell 3, 4, 5 and 6.

especially hand 3 and 6 are looking good for me:

3:
likely he is drawing. If he has a ten, well he does and will call you down. he might also keeps calling with 55,66 and draws. I think that's fine.
if the board stays kind of cold, this would be a good spot to overbet river (or already turn) if you think he called with a T9, JT, QT type of hand. but normally, you shouldn't do that

6: there are not many draws on flop that he could call with, his range breaks down to small pp, 56, 67...
you can represent an Ace pretty easy, since you were the original raiser. I double barell turn. And I also think, if you don't bet turn, it's very likely your opponentn does. and you would have to fold.

note on hand 5: almost the same like 6: but there is also a flush draw on flop. however, the J is actually a good card for you and you probably can barell there. after all I think it's just likely he calls you down with 7x, 88-TT, OESD, FD.

[podbelski]

Hand 1: I have decent equity and FE against pocket pairs, and by not barreling you are putting him on 99/Ax and/or think he will check PPs behind, right?

Hand 2: don't you think barreling will fold 8x/9T/99/TT hands? [Edit] oh fck, he's so short now I see why I played like that

Hand 3: agreed

Hand 4: what hands do you expect him to fold by barreling? Ks? overpairs like 88/99? 78?

Hand 5: agreed

Hand 6: agreed

[practice]

1. Do you need to cbet that flop? IMO check/folding or making a late cbet on turn incase he checks might be better.
BUT if you cbet that flop you have to bet the turn, no matter what the turn card is.

2. Check/fold on turn is not wrong. You're out of position, your hand is weak. Ditch the hand, you can't win every pot .

3. I wouldn't barrel the turn without a J,Q,K or A coming on the turn. Check/fold this one.

4. Definately bet the turn. Two overs with a strong flushdraw, enough said.

5. Here also, two overs. He is never folding 22-99 on that flop. When u bet the flop, you have to bet the turn. The J is a good card for you.

6. Can be barreled IMO because of the A.

[Qgel]

Hands 1; 3; 5; 6 are all pretty much auto second barrels for me, would fire a lot of rivers on hand 5 too. Hand 3 is for thin value and against some opponents could be a little too thin
Hand 2 played fine, I'd cbet less against the shorty though.
Hand 4 also played fine. 2 overs and 3rd nut flush on THIS board is junk. You are not happy hitting either of your outs. Even if you luck out and the As comes on the river, you're still unlikely to get paid off, so I see no reason to continue with the hand.

[Nostalgica]

Hand 1: I think barrelling will be +EV in general, but against specific opponents I will check. Reasons are obvious, his peel range is wide and may include air, you have equity, and you rep a decently wide value range. Cons: Ax will be flatting flop a lot so villain has monsters in his range here.

Hand 2: I'd check flop, and as played fold. I don't really like turning the top of my non-value range into bluffs, and if I did want to turn something into bluffs, I'd do it with something with more equity like 45, 23, 56, or two over-cards. Pocket sevens has atrociously few outs. Oh, also, turn is a terrible card to bluff on, so even with said hands I would not bluff without history or dynamic (for example, villain is a reg that has a wide float range here and my barrel on a dry card reps strength).

Hand 3: Same. Don't do it.

Hand 4: Pot it. You can't rep any made hand other than a straight or AA with redraw if you do otherwise, not that a normal bet has no value either.

edit re: Qgel, I am a proponent for betting mainly because we have such huge fold equity against his range. It is not for implied odds. Villain's peel range is sick wide on the flop and a LOT of it is folding when we bet, those which have made pairs as well as draws, + we may win showdown. The combination of factors make bluffing here fine. Folding here is bad since some hands are both drawing to worse outs and we currently beat at the same time. Obviously not a lot of them are of that category, but a player abusing position (perhaps not the case at 50NL) will have a very wide range here.

Hand 5: Clear bet.

Hand 6: For the love of god, it's an ACE. Bet it.

[podbelski]

Wow, fresh air here

On hand 3, do you suggest to check the flop ("same as H2")? What next? Check-call/check-fold?

[Qgel]

Kinda posted in a hurry previously so maybe missed a couple things.

Originally Posted by Nostalgica

Hand 2: I'd check flop, and as played fold. I don't really like turning the top of my non-value range into bluffs

I think that it's very profitable to just 1/2 pot cbet our entire range against the shorty and our cards don't matter that much and I'd rather not let him get there for free with his random J5s or A9o type hands.

Hand 3: Same. Don't do it.

I think this one is a little close and we should at least consider a valuebet. However I do agree it's too thin in general.

Edit: got a little confused, what did you mean by "Same.Don't do it" ? did you mean not cbetting the flop as in hand 2? I think that is almost a mandatory cbet and I'd love to hear a very good explanation for not doing so.

edit re: Qgel, I am a proponent for betting mainly because we have such huge fold equity against his range. It is not for implied odds. Villain's peel range is sick wide on the flop and a LOT of it is folding when we bet, those which have made pairs as well as draws, + we may win showdown. The combination of factors make bluffing here fine. Folding here is bad since some hands are both drawing to worse outs and we currently beat at the same time. Obviously not a lot of them are of that category, but a player abusing position (perhaps not the case at 50NL) will have a very wide range here.

Care to elaborate on our fold equity? I find it hard to believe we have that much of it. I'd say the bottom of his range is something like a pair + gutshot, often with a random spade and I doubt he will fold even that all that often. He also seems very aggresive so it would not surprise me at all if he turned some weak made hand into a bluff, realizing how easily he can rep the straight.

[Nostalgica]

Don't do it, I mean to see showdown instead of folding out worse. I'd check to call, lead some turns for protection/value, but never to fold.

Fold equity? Well he's floating with a LOT of loan spades + gutshots as you said or pair + weak spade. Something like 79 with 9s is going to fold here. Even naked straights without a strong redraw will not raise here. Our range also hits the board more than his because villain is not defending low suited connectors much if at all whereas we can be raising a lot of them, yes, even UTG, but he CALLED vs a UTG raise, so that has even fewer low cards. Sure, we don't have THAT many low suited connectors, but we have Axs and also AJ+ with possibly a spade of not both. Villain will NOT raise bluff this spot because a) we CAN have a straight b) a lot of our range that ARE bluffs are semi bluffs that will call a raise. Thus, he will not raise with pure air, and all that he continues with are made hands or semi bluffs, some of which we can draw against or are ahead of, or whatever, and some of which will actually fold. We're not betting our random overpairs without a flush draw here. There is no naked AA here for him to bluff raise over, any AA overpair w/ flush draw is calling.

I honestly do think 1 pair or even two pair hands will fold, and that villain will very very rarely bluff raise against our hand here, which looks sick strong. What about 88 99 TT JJ A7 As2x and so on? What about random pairs with not flush draw? What about just QJ or KJ with the Js or Ks that we will have to check to fold against?

I would say that this is a VERY clear double barrel and not close. We have equity in this pot, and check calling is horrid, way way worse than check folding, so our solution is to bet again. We have fold equity, pot equity, and occasionally the best hand.

[podbelski]

And once again, you say PSB is a key for that DB to work best, right?
If he calls, what are the plans for river? If hit a pair? Flush? UI?