50NL rush - river decision with wheel

[tmiby]

no reads on players.
how do you play this hand?
raise turn?
as played, do you call or raise river?

[Qgel]

Cbet flop, you have a hand with a lot of potential, a lot of barelling opportunities etc. and you are very unlikely to get C/raised.
Raise turn for value and protection, this is a bad time to slowplay because quite a few rivercards kill your action or make someone a better hand, especially with BB calling SB's bet, too likely that one of them is on a flush draw and you just want to get value from a lot of hands
River I would still raise for value, way too likely your hand is good. A shove would be a bit too much so I'd raise to maybe 44 to stick the BB all in. If SB shoves we're never good so save a buyin and fold in that case.

[podbelski]

cbetting is good, but I hate to get raised in this spot. You want to play big pot only if hit here, and if they are weak it won't get big anyway. I would cbet if the board had 2-spades, or if completely missed my hand. Checking behind can't be bad here.

raise the turn for sure, very hard for them to beat you atm, and you will likely be called even by good pair.

as played, I'm flatting the river.

[given1982]

Originally Posted by Qgel

Cbet flop, you have a hand with a lot of potential, a lot of barelling opportunities etc. and you are very unlikely to get C/raised.
Raise turn for value and protection, this is a bad time to slowplay because quite a few rivercards kill your action or make someone a better hand, especially with BB calling SB's bet, too likely that one of them is on a flush draw and you just want to get value from a lot of hands
River I would still raise for value, way too likely your hand is good. A shove would be a bit too much so I'd raise to maybe 44 to stick the BB all in. If SB shoves we're never good so save a buyin and fold in that case.

+1

Originally Posted by podbelski

cbetting is good, but I hate to get raised in this spot.

Why? All you've got is a gutshot and an over.

[mxrider]

I'm making a cbet here for 2 reasons, it's likely to get us the pot and allow us to see 2 cards if we are called on the flop. It also allows us to get the pot bigger should we hit on the turn or river. You absolutely must raise the turn bet here. The pot is a decent size and we want the fish to come along with his draw but want to make him pay for it. River, I don't think I can raise it.

[urbansprawler]

There are some boards you can check back where the money you can make by hitting your draw is greater than what you make by c-betting, but this doesn't look like the case here. Opponent-dependent, though. I usually cbet, but if you don't, then flat-calling the turn is a horrible play.

[podbelski]

Besides the gutter and over, we have a backdoor nutflushdraw here, and I want to see the turn, which won't be possible if someone raises my cbet. That's why I cbet with a flushdraw - can continue even if raised, or completely without any flushdraw - where all you have is just over+gutter.

Well, everyone agrees on cbetting here, maybe I should agree cbetting is better... it is like "meh" for me I beleive

[urbansprawler]

Originally Posted by podbelski

Well, everyone agrees on cbetting here, maybe I should agree cbetting is better... it is like "meh" for me I beleive

It's somewhat close sometimes between checking to hit a draw and getting FE, but a 4 is not going to make someone a monster that you can stack.

[podbelski]

Excuse my curiousity, what did you do & the results please

[JohnnyKorova]

check flop, raise the turn to $42, and play the river accordingly