About barreling...NL50

[practice]

Just after the discussion about the barreling I go and do this. Is the turn here an auto check? I just got the feeling I played this one like a donk...

I mean if he checks the turn I can always go for thin value on river. And if I hit the backdoor flush I can get plenty of value incase he has a strong hand. Incase he bets the turn, we are keeping the pot somewhat smaller.

I guess I just wanted to get value of FD or something, or then wasnt really thinking. Hate to play these types of hands OOP.

..Thoughts?

[Qgel]

Is that the end of the hand history? seems like a very easy call given pot odds and try to spike on the river.

I don't mind your turn bet too much. Both checking and betting has merits to it. Since you didn't give any reads on the BB hard to tell you which is better.

If you think he folds 2nd pair on the turn then betting K7 for value is way too thin and you should check but if he calls 9x and all draws every time then it's not too thin and you should definitely bet.

[tmiby]

I prefer checking the turn for pot control.
Yes, I know that we have TP and just got a FD too! But facing a raise on turn puts us into a bad spot.

There can be 2 pairs, better K and sets...

my line is c/c turn:
...if we don't hit flush, I might c/c another bet on the river depending on size.
...if we hit our flush, I lead river big (close to pot). If he has a good king there, I wanna get the value from it. If you have stats/reads on villain that he will bet river very often. I even c/r river (CRAI).

[podbelski]

I check-call that turn. If your K was stronger the bet is good. As played, you almost have pot odds to call, and implied odds vs 2pair+ if hit a flush...

[tmiby]

...and as played: I still call this raise. and draw to flush, trips or 2 pair...

[Nostalgica]

c/c is okay, but I far prefer a check/shove on the turn. We fold out worse as well as denying odds for worse hands. The majority of hands we beat at that point are draws, or hands that won't put in more than one bet, so there is no point trying to get 3 bets in, which makes b-c-b a good line, but once villain bets, we are facing mostly a K with a better kicker, a draw, or occasionally a weaker pair/floats that won't pay us off to begin with and will take showdown on river.

For the first category, we get folds sometimes, and if not, well, we have a tough river decision to begin with if we bet, c/c, check face a bet. For the second, we want to raise to charge the draws. As I explained, we rarely get more value from weaker made hands/floats that have not improved anyway.

As such, I got for b-c-b, check shoving or commit-raising the turn if villain bets.

[podbelski]

Well, if turn goes check-call, and you check river UI and he bets I see it as an easy fold. Yes, you can't exclude bluffs from his range, but there should not be many of them, and they are the only thing you beat

[Nostalgica]

You are correct, it's a c/f, but, depending on the villain, there are enough draws in the villain's range that it's actually fairly close. Villain will put you on a naked draw or weak hand and barrel the river blank. Hero's hand looks absolutely weak on the river that he is barrelling 100% of his air if he's any good at all, so depending on his float/peel frequency, it might actually be very VERY close. Sure, we're not doing that well vs a turn bet range to begin with, but the fact is that we can expect most aggressive players to triple barrel here with a high frequency.

That said, most players are not good aggressive, so we will see showdown against some weaker made hands.

[podbelski]

But I like your check-shove suggestion, didn't think about it

[practice]

After all discussion I think I like the Check/call line on turn the most because of keeping the pot small. Incase he checks behind we can always check the river if the spade doesnt get there, to induce a bluff. I would love to check-shove if it wasn't such a huge overbet, we are betting 48$ into a pot of around 14$. Isn't that a bit too much to balance?

What happened was I called the 8$, a J came up and I check folded to his AI.