NL50: two hands with a fish

[podbelski]

Not much hands were played, like 20. Final stats are 33/15/3.0 fwiw.

First hand was JJ, I think it was 2nd orbit, and I decided to give up and look forward for better spots. One orbit later, same spot, AT hand - caught her bluffing.

Please comment on 1st hand if you don't like my play. Another question - suppose AT hand were played before JJ, does this affect your decisions and how?


Hand 1:
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop

SB ($19.75)
BB ($37.55)
UTG ($51.50)
MP ($44.95)
Hero (Button) ($50.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
2 folds, Hero bets $1.25, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75) 2, 7, A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.85, BB raises to $3.70, Hero calls $1.85

Turn: ($10.15) 10 (2 players)
BB bets $8, Hero folds

Total pot: $10.15 | Rake: $0.50



Hand 2:
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop | saw showdown

Button ($106.95)
SB ($20.25)
BB ($41.75)
UTG ($51.50)
MP ($30)
Hero (CO) ($84.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, A
2 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 2 folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.25) 10, 7, 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.50, BB raises to $5, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($13.25) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $35.25 (All-In), Hero calls $35.25

River: ($83.75) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $83.75 | Rake: $3

Results below:
BB had 7, Q (two pair, Queens and sevens).
Hero had 10, A (one pair, tens).
Outcome: BB won $80.75

[MOJO_ERASER]

yah u just gotta remember over a long run you will win these more times than him....... Its why you play with a good bankroll strat and why you can not do this when you lose when you had the best hand. There is a amount of luck to holdem obviously but skill will out weight luck obviously 10 fold in the longrun

[Nostalgica]

Both hands look good to me, though a check on the first is "okay" too. I do not think it is bad as it is +EV and not clearly better than checking. I'd be keener on checking with Jh.

[urbansprawler]

Originally Posted by Nostalgica

Both hands look good to me, though a check on the first is "okay" too. I do not think it is bad as it is +EV and not clearly better than checking. I'd be keener on checking with Jh.

Interesting because in theory, you do want to check the Jh back more often, but in practice does it (in your experience) make a difference? Not to me at least, but I imagine it's because this spot comes up infrequently.

I would bet the A-high flop as a default vs fish, though, and fold when I'm raised. With AT on the turn I'd feel forced to call but in all honesty a fold is better even with top two pair.

On the second board, this is an overbet we can call off. Plenty of draws in his range and he's c/r'ed us before. I would 3-bet the flop if I were you, though.

[Nostalgica]

I do think cbetting with JJ on Axx is profitable because it's a hand that is difficult to play profitably OOP, but ATC with outs is profitable to cbet on such a board generally, but JJ with Jh has more equity vs a flush draw or even a better made hand that you are less afraid of seeing showdown, not to mention you have one out if villain has a flush draw. In theory you want to check some % of your underpairs in this spot, and JJ with Jh is better to check with because you are rarely double barreling flush turns so the Jh is not helpful for a cbet that sets up a double barrel, but does give you more equity vs check backs and/or check/call situations.

I do agree, however, that it does not matter often. I think cbetting 100% or check/deciding mostly are both okay, but lean towards betting without reads. I think it's a bit crass to write of checking completely as we DO have showdown value and calling down is not unprofitable necessarily.

[kgu1]

Hand #1: I think you played it pretty standard. Just because an overcard comes should never mean that you give up your underpair. You don't want to check and give villain a chance to take control of the hand.

Hand #2: Standard as well. Min raise here could mean a number of things such as KT, QT, combo draw, etc.

[podbelski]

ok thanks a lot, but if the first hand played vs her was AT, and JJ came 2nd, do you change your line?

For AT, I think turn decision becoming more close cause I don't know anything about opp's tendencies yet... Maybe in this case 3betting the flop is better?

And, assuming we somehow folded (or maybe not) the AT hand, and hit those jacks later, do you still think cbetting is as good as checking, or should I prefer the latter?