Bid hands preflop

[Gambubble]

he was 15/13/7 & 3bet of 6.7% over 200hands.
I was running 20/18/11.7 3bet:1.2 in this session.

AQo is my top losing hand
AQs is my 4th losing

I had to fold here, hadn't I?
may be a better line is to just call in position, and pot control w/ TP?

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Hero ($24.30)
MP ($32)
Button ($29.80)
SB ($25.70)
BB ($20.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, A.
Hero raises to $0.85, 2 folds, SB raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $8, SB raises to $25.7 (All-In), Hero...

Final Pot: $16.25

same session, follows 2 hands against another villain who runs 13/11/3.4 3bet 3.8 over 11k.

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Hero ($28.30)
MP ($69.55)
CO ($8.40)
Button ($28.65)
SB ($38.60)
BB ($25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K.
Hero raises to $0.85, 4 folds, BB raises to $2.65, Hero raises to $7, BB raises to $25 (All-In), Hero calls $18.

Flop: ($50.10) 2, 3, 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($50.10) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($50.10) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $50.10

Results in white below:
BB has Qh Qc (two pair, queens and fives).
Hero has Kd Ks (two pair, kings and fives).
Outcome: Hero wins $50.10.

then, a few orbit later...



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Hero ($41.35)
MP ($95.90)
CO ($25)
Button ($25)
SB ($53.55)
BB ($26.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q.
Hero raises to $0.85, 3 folds, BB raises to $2.65, Hero raises to $8.05, BB raises to $14.2, Hero raises to $41.35 (All-In), BB calls $12 (All-In).

Flop: ($67.65) 7, 3, 4 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($67.65) 3 (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($67.65) K (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $52.50

May be here too I should just call the 3bet coz of good position, and i am 46/54 against his range with no fold equity?
if this kind of very low 3bet often means a very strong hand, I'd just call for setmining, agree?

[Colossos159]

First hand is kinda spewy. Villain is very tight and aggressive. I'd fold preflop and would be glad not to be in a pot with such a TAG.

ps: you are on a table with two very very TAGs. dont you consider switching tables then?

[ThatDeviant]

I let the first hand go after his 3bet. He's tight yet he's willing to play OOP so he has you beat at least 80% of the time here. Either that or a flat but then you might lose your stack if you hit a card on the flop.

Second hand is standard.

Third I flat his 3bet and go broke on an undercard flop.

[given1982]

Hand 1: This is pretty bad. I would never 4bet AQ after my UTG open has been 3bet by a 15/13. Folding and calling are both a lot better.

Hand 2: Is there a question about this hand, or is it just for context for hand 3?

Hand 3: This is fine. It's also fine to flat the 3bet and shove over a bunch of cbets. But calling just for "setmining" is horrible.

[TheDeKay]

Originally Posted by given1982

Hand 1: This is pretty bad. I would never 4bet AQ after my UTG open has been 3bet by a 15/13. Folding and calling are both a lot better.

Hand 2: Is there a question about this hand, or is it just for context for hand 3?

Hand 3: This is fine. It's also fine to flat the 3bet and shove over a bunch of cbets. But calling just for "setmining" is horrible.

This
Hand 3: I like the call-and-shove-over-Cbet (on a no A or K board) thing.

[pokerloser10056]

The first hand is pretty bad. There is no reason to be re-raising PF with AQo when you are UTG. Even it was AQs I would still fold.

Second hand is well played IMO.

Third Hand, raise 4xbb PF, and call the re-raise instead of shoving here. AI with QQ UTG is spewy IMO.

[no eff eks]

Originally Posted by pokerloser10056

AI with QQ UTG is spewy IMO.

No it isn't. Getting it in with QQ pf is a great idea for somebody running at 20/18.

As said, the first hand is a spew. Second two hands are fine. I do prefer a call of his 3-bet since this villain is sooooo nitty and we'll be in position on the flop, but usually I'm 4-betting QQ.

[pokerloser10056]

Originally Posted by no eff eks

No it isn't. Getting it in with QQ pf is a great idea for somebody running at 20/18.

As said, the first hand is a spew. Second two hands are fine. I do prefer a call of his 3-bet since this villain is sooooo nitty and we'll be in position on the flop, but usually I'm 4-betting QQ.

At this level and against a nit at this level, QQ AI OOP is just a bad idea. Villain will almost always have AA, KK, and sometimes have AK QQ JJ, or pocket 10s. There is no way I would lay down my hand, but I am calling here not going AI. Getting it AI on the flop can easily be achieved and you will have extra info to help make that choice.

[no eff eks]

I agree that a call of the 3-bet is better against this particular villain, but you made a general statement about getting it all in PF with QQ and against most people at $10nl you should be thrilled about getting it all in with that hand.

This nits 3-bet range is most likely more like QQ+/AK, while we're in okay shape against that range we are going to have a much better idea after the flop whether or not we should continue. If we were OOP I would rather 4-bet than call because I don't like donk betting or checking if we get a good flop.

[Gambubble]

very instructive!
So I overestimate AQ, and/or underestimate the 3bet tightness of an OOP TAG.
Against a nit, I'll now call 3bet w/ QQ and shove over c-bets to catch pieces of AK AQ and some lower pairs on underboards.
yes hand 2 was for context.
thanks all