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Old 08-29-2009, 01:02 PM
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Being a cash player, I wasn't sure how best to approach this situation in a sng. I'm not too keen on my turn call and I suspect getting AI on the flop is still preferable to any other line

Advise appreciated, thanks.

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Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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MP1: t1500 M = 50
MP2: t1420 M = 47.33
CO: t1260 M = 42
BTN: t1280 M = 42.67
SB: t1340 M = 44.67
Hero (BB): t1500 M = 50
UTG: t1500 M = 50
UTG+1: t1420 M = 47.33
UTG+2: t2280 M = 76

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with 6:club: 7:spade:
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t20, UTG+2 calls t20, 2 folds, CO calls t20, BTN calls t20, SB calls t10, Hero checks

Flop: (t120) 6:spade: 5:spade: 8:spade: (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, CO bets t120, BTN folds, SB folds, Hero calls t120, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls t120

Turn: (t480) Q:heart: (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, CO bets t100, Hero calls t100, UTG+2 calls t100

River: (t780) T:spade: (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, CO bets t700, Hero folds, UTG+2 folds
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Old 08-29-2009, 01:09 PM
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Fold flop
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:08 AM
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I don't think shoving the flop is the best idea. It's an interesting spot because of the combined effects of the pair with the straight-flush draw and you're not as far behind as I initially thought, but it's close to a coin flip against most of what can call and you're absolutely crushed by a made flush, and IMO you don't have enough fold equity vs three players to compensate. When you can get paid off so easily with made hands in these tournies, your tournament life is worth too much to take a slim edge early IMO (and you only have a slim edge if you're 100% sure no one has a flush).

I think you're ok to peel if that's what you want to do and you play well enough - get away from it if they show signs of having a made flush or if a non-straightening fourth spade comes of course. I guess you'd have to play a straight for a small pot because of the possibility of a slowplayed flush, that way the times you win with your straight will offset the times you lose to a slowplayed flush and so you're looking to extract max value when you hit the straight flush.

For me, this deep, I'd probably fold the flop and wait for a better spot, but I play pretty ABC in these things.
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The problem with this hand is that you are only using 1 of your cards for your oesfd which really discounts your hand strength. There are only 2 spades that you want to see. People pay off very easily in these and it's much better to just fold the flop this time.
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Old 09-07-2009, 08:18 AM
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its too early to invest much on a draw, but ok to see 1 maybe 2 cards for that prize.

check out:

The 2+2 Forum Archives: Shaun's beginners guide to 180s

If u didnt read by now.

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Sorry for the v.late response, I locked myself out of my PT account lol.

Thanks for the great advise everyone, and the link to the 180 thread, I've sort of given up on maintaining plat at 25nl, so I should have more time to play these now.
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