Playing straights on a flush board

[JacKhani]

Lets say you happen to flop a straight on the flop, with the board having a flush draw, you bet out and get called, then the turn completes the flush. What would you do in this situation? Raise? Fold? Check-Raise?

[chinz]

Originally Posted by JacKhani

Lets say you happen to flop a straight on the flop, with the board having a flush draw, you bet out and get called, then the turn completes the flush. What would you do in this situation? Raise? Fold? Check-Raise?

Probably check-fold or check-call, opponent dependent. If I am betting, I am 100% folding to any raise. I am never calling two streets unless I have some sick read.

If you believe that villain is capable of folding a weak flush and you have A-blocker to nutflush, you can try bluffing him off... but I wouldn't try this at micro stakes, unless villain is a REALLY BIG nit. People just can't fold flushes, when they should.

[dansiek]

I prefer c/c, gives them an attempt to bluff and helps pot control.

[no eff eks]

Originally Posted by JacKhani

Lets say you happen to flop a straight on the flop, with the board having a flush draw, you bet out and get called, then the turn completes the flush. What would you do in this situation? Raise? Fold? Check-Raise?

Well raising is pretty horrible unless you've got a solid read and feel bluffing is profitable. Leading out isn't horrible either depending on the opponent, although against most people at micro stakes PLO it's not a great idea.

Like most things in poker, it depends... but in general if you have a weak straight just c/f, and if you have the nut straight c/c or c/f.... if you have a good straight with a good redraw (say a NFD or a set) then you can lead or c/r (again, depending on your opponent -- some people never have anything but the nut flush here and it's always best to play passively).

[ShoveOrFold]

I change my Full tilt avatar to angry. If he changes his avatar at all, I am open folding/closing tables. If he doesn't change his avatar, but bets any amount in his name (Example: Pokerdude200 bets 2.00$), I am insta minraising while changing my avatar to happy. If he calls or raises, go allin and expect to make a boat by 6th street.

Ok, maybe not.

But seriously, don't be afraid to bet in these situations, you likely have the best hand and it will be easy to know when you don't. When you have sets, straights, or two pairs, keep betting until they raise you.


"If you believe that villain is capable of folding a weak flush and you have A-blocker to nutflush, you can try bluffing him off... but I wouldn't try this at micro stakes, unless villain is a REALLY BIG nit. People just can't fold flushes, when they should."

Basically never do this unless you are at 200nl+. I've noticed at 100nl and lower, nobody is ever going to want to fold a flush, especially when its only 3 to a flush on the board. Only time i might try to get a flush to fold is on the river, and he checks it to me and there is 4 to a flush out there, I might overbet to try and get him to fold 6-Jhigh flushes.

[chinz]

Originally Posted by ShoveOrFold

But seriously, don't be afraid to bet in these situations, you likely have the best hand and it will be easy to know when you don't. When you have sets, straights, or two pairs, keep betting until they raise you.

Betting ANY two pair in microstakes PLO for three streets is a suicide.

[no eff eks]

Originally Posted by ShoveOrFold

Basically never do this unless you are at 200nl+. I've noticed at 100nl and lower, nobody is ever going to want to fold a flush, especially when its only 3 to a flush on the board. Only time i might try to get a flush to fold is on the river, and he checks it to me and there is 4 to a flush out there, I might overbet to try and get him to fold 6-Jhigh flushes.

Um, this isn't NLHE we're talking about.

Trying to bluff out non-nut flushes will work a ton at micro stakes PLO -- although obviously there are some fish that are never folding any flush. I've seen tons of people fold/show the second nuts in PLO, and there must be plenty of times that they've folded without showing as well.

4-flush boards are less scary than 3-flush boards in PLO (though marginally)...

[ShoveOrFold]

Woops. Sorry haha. I haven't been to active on the forums lately, and didn't realize an Omaha section was made. From the first post it was hard to tell if it was NLHE or PLO. Lol I just made a fool out of myself, but everyones gotta look stupid sometime.

[chinz]

Originally Posted by ShoveOrFold

Woops. Sorry haha. I haven't been to active on the forums lately, and didn't realize an Omaha section was made. From the first post it was hard to tell if it was NLHE or PLO. Lol I just made a fool out of myself, but everyones gotta look stupid sometime.

You must've been wondering "wow, how nitty are these guys?" for a while...