300 bb deep big hand

[Padawan]

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Ok so this guy has been pushing the table around alot. I got it in with him with a wrap and FD blockers against his top 2 on the flop in a hand towards the beginning of the session - I was last to act and it was a 3way all in. I hit my straight but even though I had blockers he rivered the flush. oh well right.. but the shit talking began.. He began to berate me and call me a donkey... LOL.. obviously the old me would tilt. I kept my cool built my stack back up.

Then the above hand comes up. My plan was to flat see if I could hit my wrap, and re evaluate on the turn - leaning towards folding. When I pick up the 2nd FD... Im counting 24 outs against what looks like 2 pair or a set. Now at this point having still $50 behind on the turn I just call the $24 bet figuring Ill fold any blank since its obvious Im beat but never fold to a heart, club or one of my st8 outs.

Question 1... should I get it in on the flop? I think no since I dont have NFD
Question 2... Should I shove over his bet on the turn since I am getting awesome odds and am a 50/50 shot at winning the hand

Thanks for your feedback... I won this hand but just not sure if I played it optimally. Im thinking about 80% sure I played it the best way, but want to hear some feedback

Thanks

[chinz]

Originally Posted by Padawan

Question 1... should I get it in on the flop? I think no since I dont have NFD

I think it's good either way.... We have 9 outer (7 to nuts) wrap along with 4th nut FD and 2nd nut backdoor FD. If he had been playing really aggro I might just 3bet and get it in on the flop.

(EDIT: I didn't notice this was 300bb deep - I wouldn't 3bet in this case)

Question 2... Should I shove over his bet on the turn since I am getting awesome odds and am a 50/50 shot at winning the hand

Probably not, I don't really believe that you have any folding equity here and if he has something like set with better FD (like he had!) you're not that strong...

[no eff eks]

Originally Posted by Padawan

Question 1... should I get it in on the flop? I think no since I dont have NFD
Question 2... Should I shove over his bet on the turn since I am getting awesome odds and am a 50/50 shot at winning the hand

No and no... If you were 100bb deep it would be different, but 300bb deep you're really never getting it in really good on the flop. If you had the nut flush draw instead of the T-high FD then it'd definitely a good spot to 3bet/get it in.

[Padawan]

Chinz he didnt have a better FD... but I wasnt going for fold equity with the shove... I just wasnt sure if I shouldve done it for value... I really hate that I didnt get value on the river.

[chinz]

How can you "valuebet" with hand that has around 50% equity at best? He might have gutshot+set or FD+2pair hands, and against the later one you are a big underdog. If you shove the turn, you do it because you hope you have folding equity, but I don't really think that you do.

He calls an UTG raise from BB, so if his thinking player his range has lots of suited high card hands -> one of your flush draws is often dead. That kills A LOT of your outs.

Originally Posted by Padawan

I really hate that I didnt get value on the river.

When he checks, you should consider valuebetting even 4th nut flush there... people make desperate crying calls in big pots. You can bet $25 on the river and probably get called... and that is 125bb!

If he is a really bad player (most are at PLO20) you might even bet smaller (like $15) and he'll probably think he has the odds to call.

One other thing I forgot to mention earlier... at least if the table is aggressive, you should consider limping that hand from the UTG. I know it has 3 nice high connected cards and is double suited, but both suits are bad and that 2 is useless.

Whatever suits your style, but I play REALLY tight from the UTG. Hands like 289Tds I openfold, because playing OOP is way harder than in NL, at least with limited experience.