Second nut flush

[Daverer]

Hi everyone,
I'm an absolute PLO beginner here, just taking my first steps in the bottom limit.
A question about a scenario for you: You see a flop in position, unraised pre, and it comes three hearts and you have the KT of hearts in your hand. 4 players still in the pot at this point. Two check, one guy minbets about 22% of the pot. You call and the other two fold out. He minbets again on the turn, 15% of the pot at this point, you raise potsize and he min (I think min anyway!) reraises. At this point do you give him credit for the nuts? If you call and he leads out potsize on the river do you give up then?

I got in this situation tonight and I think I should probably have folded when he reraised on the turn.

Ta,

D

[Spinage]

Hmm, I only play omaha rarely, but I'm pretty sure the mistake was raising at all. I think since he's betting small, you can call this and the river for less than you invest with a raise, then maybe he has a smaller flush. I dunno, it is still possible he is holding a smaller flush and is a donkey ("I haz flush, I win"), but by giving the opportunity to him to raise, you've forced yourself into a spot where you can only fold.

I think this is an ideal spot to be calling down and underrepping your hand.

[Daverer]

Originally Posted by Spinage

Hmm, I only play omaha rarely, but I'm pretty sure the mistake was raising at all. I think since he's betting small, you can call this and the river for less than you invest with a raise, then maybe he has a smaller flush. I dunno, it is still possible he is holding a smaller flush and is a donkey ("I haz flush, I win"), but by giving the opportunity to him to raise, you've forced yourself into a spot where you can only fold.

I think this is an ideal spot to be calling down and underrepping your hand.

Thanks Spinage. I popped back on to add that there was nothing else out there on the board so he has the nuts or a worse flush, a set or two pair. Plus stacks were about 100BBs at the start of the hand. I'm pretty sure you're right and that it was a mistake to lose more than the minimum here, the main reason I ask is cos I thought there was an outside chance you might say 'oh people do this all the time with worse flushes, stick it in!'. Guess this time I was the donkey

Cheers mate

d

[chinz]

You are getting the max value out of bluffs and worse flushes when you just keep on calling. If he checks the river to you, bet for value but otherwise just call it down...

You aren't getting any more value out of worse flushes by raising, just because they are check-folding the river if you raise turn. But you are getting yourself in a tough spot when you raise the turn, because you might get reraised.

As played, I would probably fold the turn. If I had a hand like two pair or set (boat outs) to go with my hand, I could maybe call... and fold to any sizable bet on river.

[Daverer]

Thanks Chinz (and thanks again Spinage). I need to properly integrate the concept of pot limit into my game - I can see that pot control is really important when you don't know where you are. Also I'm not building the pot enough when I'm ahead - only have a few hundred hands of play money under my belt and there the players can be relied upon to build the pot for you!