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Old 07-29-2009, 12:59 PM
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Default I've turned to the dark side

I shortstack 20bb.

So here's the story. I had a roll of about 1500 in March. I was taking shots at 50NL and breaking even for the most part. Felt kind of burned out. Then I had a bad night and dropped about 6 buys. Got the fear, and took a break.

On this break, I had some real life BS going down, and I was forced to w/d a bunch of money, then I proceeded to donk and tilt off about 400 at 25NL and 5NL.

My roll's about 60 now.

So what does a nit do when beaten and stomped into a corner. The nit breaks apart into a dozen smaller nits and nips at your ankles, that's what!



I thought shorstacking wasn't profitable? I was hoping to be bust by now...?? But I'll probably go broke today since I posted this. Standard.
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800 hands? Kinda confused about this... Is it a brag?
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There are plenty of profitable shortstackers, but the variance is quite large in general.
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Old 07-29-2009, 03:56 PM
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I feel you have to be a pretty hardcore self-developed specialist and play quite high stakes (definitely higher than 100NL) to without higher variance make a bigger profit out of shortstacking than fullstacking.

Since you used to be a fullstacker, I'm quite sure it's more profitable and more stable for you to fullstack 5NL.

If you are actually *expecting* to go bust, I'd put roll on table imo and see if you can double up a few times imo. Will save you some time and frustrationg.

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800 hands? Kinda confused about this... Is it a brag?
I think, shorstacking 50NL and 100NL with $60 and didn't bust yet, so brag.

Overall just beat tho.
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Well, still not bust. I got bored of shortstacking.

So um, I started experimenting with shortstacking on PKR's play money while on my break. I wanted to prove to myself that I could play straight ABC and that I wasn't completely out of my mind with all my tilt issues. And if anything tilts pretty good, it's play money full ring where all you can do is make a hand or get sucked out... and you can only 1 TABLE. LOL.

But on PKR play money, there's a special, steamy brand of donkness that I've never seen before in any sort of free poker. People open shove 100bb with rags and get called 3-4-5 ways... with rags. And this wasn't a one shot thing. People would keep doing this for like 2-3 orbits. And this is at the very highest levels of the site. It was completely ridiculous. I mean, on FTP play money, people stop doing completely retarded shit like this just 1 or 2 levels up. So, it became very profitable to buy in for 20bb as high as I could since I could never play postflop anyway, douple and triple up and rinse,repeat.

In the end, I went from 1K play chips to 1MIL in like 20 sessions I think so it wasn't all that difficult. But anyway, I completely forgot why I started shortstacking in the first place.

So I'm fullstacking 5NL now. It's just not profitable shortstacking when you're only doubling up instead of quadrupling up! LOL.

Back to battle.
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So, it became very profitable to buy in for 20bb as high as I could since I could never play postflop anyway
I hope you're not actually thinking that you are better off shortstacking when people are shoving rags 4-5way.
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I hope you're not actually thinking that you are better off shortstacking when people are shoving rags 4-5way.
It was a special situation. The rationale was this:

Say I have 200K in chips.

I can buy in for max, 10K, at a 50/100 table. When ppl start shoving 100bb, and I have something like AK/AQ, it's usually kind of a waste to get in there 4-5 ways with a 100bb stack. Mathematically it's profitable, but it's a waste in the sense I have 100bb and I'm done with the hand preflop.

But with a 20bb stack, the decision's pretty much automatic.

So instead of buying in at a 50/100 table, I'd buy in for 8K at a 200/400 table. Getting it in pre with AK/AQ is easy with that stack to blind ratio.

In the end, shortstacking was a psychological rationale for gamboolin' pre. But sometimes I'd get 1000bb deep and there would be other big stacks at the table. And by that point when I was so deep, the other stacks had a good idea I was playing premium hands and now they're trying to put me on a hand when I'm in a pot with them, so then it gets pretty fun. Now we can bluff at play money!!
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This thread just lost my interest......

Was looking forward to you truly shortstacking and building a roll...
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You just want to see me go bust! But playing 5NL with $27 is pretty close to shortstacking... or like short rollin.
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