MXRIDER Vid

[zayphod]

Hi Guys,

just watched the part 1 of mx's session.

I do have a question for trikkur, at about 3 minutes into the vid we see mx raise from the CO with JTo and you said that you didn't really like the play, but in the starting hand vid you listed this hand as one to raise with from the CO (which I have been doing if I think I can take it down a reasonable amount of time preflop). So I am just wondering why the discrepancy?

On another note to mx: table 2 is my worst nightmare. everyone on it bar one person (with a VPIP of 73) is tight (even over the smallish sample size). if i sit on a table and stats like that start popping up I am outta there and looking for looser players. I just think its harder to make decent $ with a whole table of tight players.

Lastly, I gotta agree with Trikkur concerning the 67c hand (the one where you hit the flush when the guy had TT). If anything I am going to go a bit passive in that spot and do a c/c on the flop if I think I can get paid off if the flush hits (and primarily for pot control: this may be a weak play but thats how I roll ). But even with that it does potentially signal we are on a draw so....
I just think from an EV point of view that if i am the TT villain I am going to be willing to make the same play all day long (if we could keep everything the same with the exception of drawing a new turn and river) as his ev is + and yours is -ve. Statistically speaking you are leaking chips in this spot. Pokerstove only gives you 37% equity if you give the villain the top 20% of hands. Give him his actual hand and you are down to 25% equity.

[zayphod]

Forgot to say that I did love the vid though as its always interesting to watch how someone else plays and see if you are doing anything majorly different (I don't think I am).

What software did you use mx to record the vid?

[mxrider]

I had a chance to preview this and must say that I have learned a lot just from the first half of this already. I think the biggest and most profound statement of the whole video was when Trikkur said you want to have either position or agression if you can't have both. You don't ever want to be OOP and not the agressor and if you can't be the agressor oop, you should fold.

[mxrider]

Originally Posted by zayphod

What software did you use mx to record the vid?

Camtasia

[Trikkur]

Originally Posted by zayphod

Hi Guys,

just watched the part 1 of mx's session.

I do have a question for trikkur, at about 3 minutes into the vid we see mx raise from the CO with JTo and you said that you didn't really like the play, but in the starting hand vid you listed this hand as one to raise with from the CO (which I have been doing if I think I can take it down a reasonable amount of time preflop). So I am just wondering why the discrepancy?

In the starting hand video, I made note that some of the last few hands that were added, may or may not be profitable. Let's say you decide to play 100% of your hands. AA is going to be the most +EV and 27o is going to be the most -EV, well each hand as you move towards the middle is going to be come closer and closer to neutral EV, neither winning nor losing you any money by playing it. TJo in the CO is going to be very close to that neutral EV part and it's going to matter what sort of opponents you have left after you, your table image, etc to help swing it towards a more +EV or more -EV stance. If you find through PokerTracker or HEM that you are winning money with TJo, QTo, KTo, type hands from the CO, well then by all means play them. On the other hand if you are struggling and find that those hands are losing money or breaking even for you, cut them out for now and add them back in later after you have progressed as a player more.

Lastly, I gotta agree with Trikkur concerning the 67c hand (the one where you hit the flush when the guy had TT). If anything I am going to go a bit passive in that spot and do a c/c on the flop if I think I can get paid off if the flush hits (and primarily for pot control: this may be a weak play but thats how I roll ). But even with that it does potentially signal we are on a draw so....

You don't really want to check/call that flop. It's a great flop for cbetting since it's A high, but you just can't call the raise when it happens because you aren't getting odds.

[Gambubble]

Very instructive video for me as well.

I'm guilty of transgressing the law of 'lead or fold OOP', especially preflop, but will take care of this aspect. This will help me to play even less hand OOP, .

I love this kind of stuff as you go deep in your thinking process on all streets, and you are right on it each time. Its quite impressive to me, especially with aim going on at the same time.

[zayphod]

Originally Posted by Trikkur

In the starting hand video, I made note that some of the last few hands that were added, may or may not be profitable. Let's say you decide to play 100% of your hands. AA is going to be the most +EV and 27o is going to be the most -EV, well each hand as you move towards the middle is going to be come closer and closer to neutral EV, neither winning nor losing you any money by playing it. TJo in the CO is going to be very close to that neutral EV part and it's going to matter what sort of opponents you have left after you, your table image, etc to help swing it towards a more +EV or more -EV stance. If you find through PokerTracker or HEM that you are winning money with TJo, QTo, KTo, type hands from the CO, well then by all means play them. On the other hand if you are struggling and find that those hands are losing money or breaking even for you, cut them out for now and add them back in later after you have progressed as a player more.

Ok thats cool. I do actually play it on a situational basis though with the same going for lower suited/off-suit connectors when I am in LP. If I feel I can steal with it Im in. If i have been raising a lot though due a streak of good cards or previous steals and then get these type of hands in LP I am generally folding them since a lot of villains will look me up. Bastards

I also found from my PT database that the one or 2 times I have played KQo in EP that I am losing with it (no suprise there). I have been folding this mostly (since joining this site) in EP (UTG, UTG+1) but the couple of times I have decided "nah I will have a go" it has cost me money.

Originally Posted by Trikkur

You don't really want to check/call that flop. It's a great flop for cbetting since it's A high, but you just can't call the raise when it happens because you aren't getting odds.

I had a think about this the other day actually and considered that in some circumstances taking a more passive approach might be beneficial. As you say if you bet then you cant call the raise (and we already know our equity in this spot is terrible regardless of whether we bet or not), but if you do c/c then you must take a line on the turn that states to the villain that "I don't have the flush I have a pair Im not sure about" e.g. you have to c/c the turn (you don't want to see any more flush cards though), and then donk lead the river for a roughly 1/2 size PB and hope to get reraised there. This may not be optimal but in this case doesn't it allow us to potentially turn a -EV situation into a +ev situation. A c/c on the flop lets us take that small risk and get 2 more streets of value from a hand that was way behind originally. I realise that this may be just terrible thinking on my behalf and I dont mind being told so

i do love the fact that this site and the subsequent vids generate these type of discussions. Awesome.

[Vantek]

First of all I want to say this leak finder video idea is absolutely awesome. For a novice or rookie, this really hits the most important spots. Too bad my laptop is a piece of junk that starts lagging past 6 tables, I'd die to have my game scrutinised.

And then, there's one thing in the vid that surprised me - checking 55 on the big blind at around 5 minute mark, with I think limp UTG (~$19) and SB(~$7.50) completing. I would've raised automatically. I guess the short stack argues for a check, but still is a raise actually BAD here? I thought that these limp and completion are just soo weak and they'll be folding or inserting half-dead money into the pot soo often. They'll fold so often both preflop and a cbet that you'll take it down, and if you just check you'll have a very hard time getting any value when you do hit your set. I would have definitely thought raising was at least okay. My raise button just starts itching whenever I see limpers. Comment?

[mxrider]

Originally Posted by Vantek

And then, there's one thing in the vid that surprised me - checking 55 on the big blind at around 5 minute mark, with I think limp UTG (~$19) and SB(~$7.50) completing. I would've raised automatically. I guess the short stack argues for a check, but still is a raise actually BAD here?

Theres 2 problems in my mind with this and I can be corrected if it is off base.

1. You are OOP and there is only going to be one flop that you can play comfortably with your small PP here, and that is if you hit your set. Any other flop is going to be difficult to play postflop and OOP.

2. Your raise is going to be getting a little less credit since you are doing exactly what it looks like.

[crypto007]

Hey,
Just wanted to say that I thought this was a very good vid. You gave very good explainations as what to do or what not to do and why.

A big thanks to MXRider for submitting the vid.