Through the Limits Part 5 - 400NL

[Mr_Nutflush1]

To start, the sound was way better than last time, perfectly acceptable.

Second: Your run of cards in your videos is pretty sick.

I also want to mention that I don't mind you telling about your life/ real life poker experience. That's actually the most interesting parts sometimes, because it's total different from the "normal" stuff we find in the videos. And the playing dynamics on NL400 are almost irrelevant for NL50 players (your playing style is also impossible to transfer to NL50 for most here I guess), so I really enjoy that "alternative" videoblog-like parts of your sessions.

@ Spots:

Min. 22 right table: You raise A9s from CO and got 2 callers from the blinds, you cbet a TQ8 rainbow board. Isn't that flop nailing the ranges of the villains so perfectly, that you have to expect at least one player coming along, so that you know you will have to at least two barrel? Is the equity of a 1card gutshot really enough to fire here? there are so many times where you run into sets, two pairs, straights and really good draws, that I feel this spot to be extremly difficult, especially against 2 players.
Later in the handreview you said your range for 3barreling the river blank here is at least AQ if you'r not bluffing. Wouldn't you check such a marginal hand like TPTK behind after the villain was calling two substantional bets? I would even consider checking behind 2pair besides the top2, because there are so many combinations that a) won't put any more money in the put or b) have us beat. Is that too weak/missing too much value?

Min 49 left table: You checked behind a Set of Aces on a double suited AQx Flop and said you don't mind slowplay here. If I was your opponent I would give you a monster here like 95% of the time, because this is just the perfect board to cbet (much more with your superaggressive image), with the countless flushdraws and gutshots almost a must-bet with any AK/AJ/AT... checking seems to achieve nothing there to me, despite mixing up your game. On an A high flop there seem to be little ways for the fish to improve to a second best hand that will pay you off. catching 2 pair with like QT/QJ/KQ seems reasonable (which would probably call a cbet no matter what), but there are so many hands that either totally missed here and won't catch up or have minimum 4 outs to outdraw without putting money in the pot any other way. You could redraw to FH of course, but how would you proceed if the board shows any spade, a K or T on the Turn and the fish suddenly bets big? I'm not sure, but I think at that moment you had more than 150BB, which would make it hard to stack off on the Turn if one of the 14 ugly cards came.

Min 50.30 left table: You raised PF w/ 33 OOP and checked an A55 Flop, to make a delayed cbet on a 6 turn.
Do you always check that flop, even if you have an A because it's likely to be a way ahead/way behind situation? Is the villain not likely to call you down with any PP once you check the A OOP on the Flop?
I'd just like to hear the explanation, why that board texture is good for the delayed cbet and in which way that play depends on your hand strenght on such paired flops.


I'm looking foreward to the 600NL action, thanks a lot for all the effort!

[given1982]

Around 2:15 in on the right table, you 3bet a half stack from the big blind with 66. How short does someone have to be before that's not your default play?

12:30 in on the left table with AA, did I understand you correctly that you 5bet to over half your stack because you thought it would make the reg 6bet bluff shove over it? How would he ever think he had fold equity when half your stack was in the middle?

I liked your channeling Trikkur's anger at bad play when talking about playing draws against fish.

[loltrickedu]

The A9 also generally strikes my range pretty hard in their eyes so its the equity of gutshot, makeup, and fold equity. It was just a good spot i felt like, and some timing tells of his calls
Yes i think thats a little weak because as you move up you have to make thinner value bets.

The set of aces why a monster? my range for checking includes every pocket pair, and i mean everyone set or not, KQ QJ QT Q9 and some other hands. Going to be easy to steal from you if you put me on a monster with one simple check behind. Same sort of theory that i have the deck pretty crushed also theres only 1 ace left so how much can he have on the flop, not really much and tough to call oop with anything he might have. Plus slowplay against fish can work.

With the 33 think about what you thought on the last AA hand, this may give you some incite into opponents thinking. Yes i usually check that flop.

[loltrickedu]

Originally Posted by given1982

Around 2:15 in on the right table, you 3bet a half stack from the big blind with 66. How short does someone have to be before that's not your default play?

12:30 in on the left table with AA, did I understand you correctly that you 5bet to over half your stack because you thought it would make the reg 6bet bluff shove over it? How would he ever think he had fold equity when half your stack was in the middle?

I liked your channeling Trikkur's anger at bad play when talking about playing draws against fish.

Probably less then 50bbs he was at about 57bbs.

With the AA there's really no difference between a shove and 5bet, because of the min 3bet the 5 bet is more like a 4bet. Instead of shoving i give some nonexistent illusion of fold equity.

[TheDeKay]

Originally Posted by given1982

Around 2:15 in on the right table, you 3bet a half stack from the big blind with 66. How short does someone have to be before that's not your default play?

If I play vs. shortstacks I might just shove 66 from the blinds

[loltrickedu]

Originally Posted by TheDeKay

If I play vs. shortstacks I might just shove 66 from the blinds

yea thats fine too

[Mr_Nutflush1]

Originally Posted by loltrickedu

The A9 also generally strikes my range pretty hard in their eyes so its the equity of gutshot, makeup, and fold equity. It was just a good spot i felt like, and some timing tells of his calls
Yes i think thats a little weak because as you move up you have to make thinner value bets.

got it.

Originally Posted by loltrickedu

The set of aces why a monster? my range for checking includes every pocket pair, and i mean everyone set or not, KQ QJ QT Q9 and some other hands. Going to be easy to steal from you if you put me on a monster with one simple check behind. Same sort of theory that i have the deck pretty crushed also theres only 1 ace left so how much can he have on the flop, not really much and tough to call oop with anything he might have. Plus slowplay against fish can work.

Ok, he's a fish, it can work. But why would you ever check a pocket pair behind instead of continuation betting? I mean, your so aggressive, and this is obiously a perfect board for cbetting, that if you check behind, I never see you doing this with a marginal holding on the Flop. You obviously can't steal from me with that check behind, as you never check a double suited 2broadway Flop IP behind without crushing the deck. With your Hand and this board texture, there are at least as many Hands that can cheaply outdraw or will never commit money to the pot, that they wouldn't commit on the Flop either, such as Flushdraws, 2nd pair etc. I still don't get why a fish should be more inclined to call on the Turn, when chasing Flushes and str8 obv is better on the flop. The only really hands that you could trap are 2pair hands that hit their 2nd pair on the Turn and decide to stack off on this board, which is highly unlikely, espacially if the Turn brings a spade.

You crush the deck, so he
a) has absolutely nothing and can't draw to something
b) has a draw w/o overs= no more money from him after the Flop despite he hits his draw and possibly stacks you
c) he has the case ace and you probably get 2 streets of value no matter what
d) he has 2nd pair and can improve to 2pair or a set, which isn't too likely, but he would probably call the cbet with that holding on the flop either way. That is the range youself give him, but wouldn't that range call at least once when you cbet, so trapping would achieve no extra EV? I don't see the reward being bigger than the risk here.

Originally Posted by loltrickedu

With the 33 think about what you thought on the last AA hand, this may give you some incite into opponents thinking. Yes i usually check that flop.

I looked in my dictionary for "incite" and I guess you typed not what you meant, or else I don't understand that sentence.

But the board textures are absolutely different, despite being Ace high. On the A55 Flop you are OOP and the board is super-dry, this is obviously a total different story than the check on the AQx double suited Flop IP. But you said you usually check it, so I got that.

Thanks

[Trikkur]

he meant insight

[loltrickedu]

im a little confused about everything your asking but ill try to explain a few things. A fish sees a check on the flop and basically assumes you got no piece of it, i got the biggest piece. Im setting up a slowplay which works much better on weaker opponents.

Its mostly a) he has nothing so i want him to pick up any kind of draw or pair that he will call 2 streets with or draw to a dead hand.

and sorry yes insight not incite.

[Mr_Nutflush1]

Originally Posted by loltrickedu

im a little confused about everything your asking but ill try to explain a few things.

Is that because of my language or my weird thinking lines?

Originally Posted by loltrickedu

A fish sees a check on the flop and basically assumes you got no piece of it, i got the biggest piece. Im setting up a slowplay which works much better on weaker opponents.

Its mostly a) he has nothing so i want him to pick up any kind of draw or pair that he will call 2 streets with or draw to a dead hand.

ok, got that.

Originally Posted by loltrickedu

and sorry yes insight not incite.

Ahh, ok, that makes sense. Learned more vocabulary, that's always fine for a non-native speaker.