New vid with a couple members!

[given1982]

Originally Posted by dansiek

"The problem is that whenever you two are not in a hand together, you're playing as a team against the rest of the table. The fact that you don't softplay each other just makes it less blatant. "

How are you suppose to team together when neither of u r in the hand?

I'm not talking about hands where they both folded. I'm talking about hands when one of them folded and one is in the hand.

[mxrider]

Originally Posted by given1982

You just totally ignore the holecards you folded? What about when the fact that those cards are dead makes a big difference in how to play the hand? Do you intentionally give bad advice to keep your hole cards secret?

I think this is problematic. I don't think you should be talking on AIM with someone that you're at the table with about the action.

I do see your point here and really hadn't thought of it in that way. Now regarding the "known hole cards" I actually do base my actions on their cards alone and what I would do with only knowing there cards to be completely impartial. Definitely worth thinking about more.

Edit: Thinking about this further, I really am not sure that I actually did advise him at a table we were both at.

[mxrider]

Going to link to some other info as I seriously am thinking about this with an open mind:

Is this collusion

[given1982]

I tend to agree with the general trend of discussion in that thread. I don't think it's a huge deal, but it's way closer to the line than I'd feel comfortable getting.

[ThatDeviant]

I think it was unintentional colluding.

[R8tme]

Ok my final thought, Given is right cause you suggest the play when you folded your hand and you know at least 2 outs, the rest is guys you are right no reason to fist after the hand and I would like to play wit you

[Padawan]

First off like to tell every sorry about my play in these videos... I've been playing REALLY bad... second on this colluding topic...

I see people advise others about hands after the fact all the time... I really dont think someone sitting at the same table as you.. friend or foe.. should be telling you to fold, bet, or raise or even the probable hand the opponent has.. including bet sizing, etc...

3rd topic...
Whenever mxrider, collosos, and any other members would like to get together and play a 6max 2 table video I am down to do this... currently back at 20NL but can make an exception for a 50NL video since I am pretty close to rolled for it.

[mxrider]

Originally Posted by Padawan

First off like to tell every sorry about my play in these videos... I've been playing REALLY bad

No worries here at all. This is why we get together and help each other out as much as possible.

....second, on this colluding topic I see people advise others about hands after the fact all the time... I really dont think someone sitting at the same table as you.. friend or foe.. should be telling you to fold, bet, or raise or even the probable hand the opponent has.. including bet sizing, etc...

I actually do believe after hearing other opinions and comments, that it is wrong for me to comment on any hand that I was delt cards in and will not do so again. Although I don't think that my advice was tainted in any way during any hands that I was involved in, I do think that there could be the possibility of it. I still feel it is fine to talk with other people as long as I have no additional information in the hand.

3rd topic...
Whenever mxrider, collosos, and any other members would like to get together and play a 6max 2 table video I am down to do this... currently back at 20NL but can make an exception for a 50NL video since I am pretty close to rolled for it.

The level really doesn't matter. Whether it is 50, 20, 10 or even 4 would be ffine with me.

[Colossos159]

Hi,

after reading the posts here and on the other thread that mxrider started, I do see now where the problem is although I cant think of one hand where his mucked cards would have influenced his advice. Anyway, I agree to not give/ask advice to someone who is at the same table, even if he's not in the hand. However, I dont mind giving/asking advice when he/you are not at the same table but just railing the session and I dont think anything is wrong with this.

As for the following session: I'd rather play 25NL because that's more in my comfort zone but I wouldnt say no to a 50NL session.

[ShoveOrFold]

I'm down for a session with other pokertrikz members at 20NL. I'll probably end up losing money, but its still going to be +EV to see how i can improve my game, Maybe we can record the sessions and put our own commentaries on it.