FT comparison versus Pokerstars

[nuvan]

By my reasoning FT is better then pokerstars because of rakeback but im not 100% sure so i was wondering if someone would be able to help me.
As pokerstars only hsa 5% rake whereas FT has 10% but a 27% rakeback.
So as i only play 6 max (assuming theres always 6 people on the table) i effectively pay =5/6 =-0.833% continually with PS, but on FT i pay -10/6+.27x10= +1.033% so i am making money from rake hypothetically, so FT> PS.
Thats my reasoning im just not sure if thats how it works, any confirmation/rejection would be appreciated.

p.s. I only just realised this after reading the types of rake as i thought i pay my own rake separately from others depending on what i contriube hence thought rakeback was a load of BS, so im looking to transfer to FT or Cake asap.
Cheers Nuvan.

[Colossos159]

Just a remark: Full Tilt has only 10 percent rake on the lowest limit (10NL) all other limits are 5 percent like most sites. So FT is ofcourse alot better then Pokerstars because of the rakeback you can get at FT. And rakeback is an essential part of your poker game especially at the lower limits.

Pokerstars on the other hand is good for FPPs. A Full Tilt FPPs are not really worth the effort, I dont know if it is just me but it goes soooo slowly before you can buy anything decent with your FT FPPs. Also the sit n go's at full tilt have a ridiculous turbo kinda structure.
Cant really comment on the competition as I dont play at pokerstars but it is commonly known that FT has the tougher players (although this is relative at the microstakes).

The reason I play at FT is rakeback and I like their software.

[R8tme]

Talking about rake, yes FT is better. But as play itself , full tilt is called "suck out" donk poker for reason. You'll have this stuff over much more often. The other thing PS has more tables. and, so more fish there. But for micros I bettter play Cake or Red Star

[Trikkur]

Talking about rake, yes FT is better. But as play itself , full tilt is called "suck out" donk poker for reason. You'll have this stuff over much more often. The other thing PS has more tables. and, so more fish there. But for micros I bettter play Cake or Red Sta

This is just a wrong statement. You aren't going to get sucked out on at one site more than another and thinking that is going to do nothing but hinder your poker career. I've not played the micro stakes in a long time, but I know I would never play without rakeback, so Full Tilt or another rakeback site would be my only choice. Until I got to maybe 400NL+ where rakeback matters a lot less than table selection.

[Mr_Nutflush1]

What you guys forget about is that Stars don't automatically gives you rakeback, but you can exchange the FPP you earn for cash. Nowhere on pokerstars.com anybody will use the word rakeback, but it's a fact that the FPP-Program offers the best reward-program of ALL SITES.
FTP is definitly way behind that imo.
If you play microlimits with superlow amounts of rake, the FPP-Bonus won't give you much, but I seriously doubt that 27% rakeback on 5NL count much for you either. For everybody playing above 25-50NL, Pokerstars is the best site. Theres a reason for it being the biggest and most growing site on the net.

[Colossos159]

I never played on PS but now that I hear of all those great FPP programs there , I am thinking about transferring from FT to PS.
I do believe that FT is not good for the really micro limits: the lowest limit is 10NL and it is with 10 percent rake. So if you are playing on full tilt , you have to at least play the 25NL games (only 5 percent rake). Also the rewarding program at FT is crappy: FPPs are quite fast but you need a ton of them to get something decent. Also what is up with this Iron man challenge?? You have to play almost every day!! Who can play every day? and if you miss a couple of days all the days you played count for nothing!!?? I tried it and its doable but the effort you put in is not worth the reward. I'll have a look at PS's program today.

When I'm writing this I am actually wondering why I'm playing on FT. Good software, rakeback and force of habit I guess. Oh yeah, yesterday I played 10 heads up sitngo's at FT (low buy-in) and I won all except one of them (my AK vs AJ all in preflop , ofcourse a J on the flop...)!! It was my first time I played heads up sit n go's and the players are incredible easy to play. I really had fun playing against them. I think if you want to build up your bankroll, those heads up sit ngo's are the way to go. Try it.

[Mr_Nutflush1]

At Stars there are 2NL and 5NL. There isn't even rake if pots are not bigger then 5$ as far as I know.

Lower HU Sng's are full of crappy players but I honestly hate the style of the game there. It's something total different. I'd rather play 10 cash tables...I'm an action junkie and hate variance, which is obv not a good combination for HUs.

When I lkike to play something different, just for fun, then I play low buy-in PLO, 8-or-better, Stud and HORSE sngs, these are superfun and the people are crappy too.

Back to topic:
When I have vacation like this month I can grind NL50 and change the FPP in 650$ rakeback (with like 3k hands each day), but there are so many great items in the shop (several nice monitors up to 30", every one of the newest gaming consoles, iPods, tons of Bookerbooks, cool clothing...), that you really have a lot of interesting possibilities.

[R8tme]

Guys, don't forget about the best improvement on PS - hand replayer right away. As far as for cash games there a lot of action. FPP system is pretty good, especially if you play tourneys also.

[TheDeKay]

As far as I know: If you play enough hands to reach Supernova and get some Milestones, you are better off with Pokerstars. There was something, that if you play 400NL, it is not so profitable, cause you earn about the same amout of FFP as on 100NL or 200NL, but I'm not sure of that...
If you do not play enough, to reach Supernova: FT with Rakeback is more profitable.

[nuvan]

I'll probably split my roll between Stars and FTP in the future for game selection purposes once i hit 30ish BI, even if the rakeback and FPP's game selection is worth far more then any rakeback can provide, a cutting example being when a villain shoved into me on AQTJx board with 3's. hahahaha