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Old 04-26-2009, 08:16 AM
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CO ($110.40)
Button ($100.50)
SB ($103.80)
BB ($105.95)
Hero (UTG) ($105.50)
MP ($183.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, Q
Hero bets $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 3 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 3, 5, 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, CO calls $6

Turn: ($21.50) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $15.50, CO calls $15.50

River: ($52.50) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $45, Hero calls $45

Total pot: $142.50 | Rake: $3

Didn't have reads at that time. His stats are 31/15/1.8AF over 63hands.
Which stats are you checking when having to make this call on the river?

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Old 04-26-2009, 11:01 AM
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Tbh im leading out this river all day long, or at least putting in a blocker bet.
As for calling that bet, i have no idea because i assume he does that with his whole range
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Old 04-26-2009, 11:16 AM
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He's somewhat passive, so bet-folding that river is much better than check-calling. I would rather check-fold than check-call. He might call you with worse hands, but he is almost never betting anything worse with AF of 1.8. After checking the river, I would just fold when he bets.

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Which stats are you checking when having to make this call on the river?
River AF and River Aggression Frequency... if they are not totally out of line, I really don't like this check-calling. There's one missed draw, but 44 is probably the only hand in his range that would have a missed openender. If he has 6x or 77-JJ he is almost never betting the river.
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Old 04-26-2009, 01:41 PM
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We do not have enough hands to have something to really go with postflop... so it's no use to check any special postflop stats.

Imo it's a fold here. His preflop stats indicate, that he is a somewhat fishier player, so we shouldn't expect him to float 2 barrels to bluff the river... and I do not believe, that he is value betting worse hands here that often. He might bluff with A4, but that's not in his range often enough, to make that call profitable... so just fold now.
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Old 04-26-2009, 01:55 PM
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We do not have enough hands to have something to really go with postflop... so it's no use to check any special postflop stats..
I didn't notice the small sample size... but it really doesn't change my opinion. I would either bet $35 or if I decide to check, then check-fold.

For check-calling you'd need to have some kind of special read (or significant enough sample size to trust the river stats).
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Old 04-26-2009, 02:27 PM
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So what are you guys putting villain on.. Sets or QT?

I don't understand how he plays QT on that flop, & after the river check I think I have to call just because it looks like I gave up on my double barrel.

Edit: 63 hands & you guys are sticking to his aggression factor like it's set in stone... I can easily see him betting this river as a bluff the more I think about it..

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Old 04-26-2009, 03:07 PM
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So what are you guys putting villain on.. Sets or QT?
What do you see him flatcalling 2 streets and then betting the river? People don't really know when the board is good to slowplay etc...

If he had a flushdraw, he probably wouldn't raise it on the turn, because that would turn his hand face up and Q might even be a scarecard for you.

He could also have a slowplayed set, two pair or straight, that tried some kind of retarded slowplay, and then couldn't raise on the turn because of the FD hitting...

My question for you: what do you see him doing this with that we beat? If he was 40/20 with AF per street 1-1-5 I would check and snapcall this, but without reads I think betting is better.

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If we could beat even some hands of his valuebetting range, I think this would be easier, but I don't think he floated the flop with worse Qs... but if we bet he probably will call us with worse hands too.
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Didn't realize FD hit, I glanced & thought it was 2heart 2 daimond.. my bad.. that's a fold. my bad
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Old 04-26-2009, 07:34 PM
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Didn't realize FD hit, I glanced & thought it was 2heart 2 daimond.. my bad.. that's a fold. my bad
Yeah, in that case. If both draws would've missed then check-calling would be OK against an unknown opponent, I guess.
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Old 05-03-2009, 08:39 AM
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Check turn, lead river if checked behind. c/c c/c otherwise.
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