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Old 05-14-2009, 08:43 PM
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Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Absolute/UB Cereus Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($115.65)
Hero (SB) ($186.60)
BB ($128.25)
UTG ($129.40)
MP ($96.55)
CO ($86.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 6
1 fold, MP calls $1, CO calls $1, Button bets $5.50, Hero calls $5, 3 folds

Flop: ($14) J, 10, J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $10, Hero raises to $27, Button calls $17

Turn: ($68) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

River: ($68) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $153, 1 fold

Total pot: $68 | Rake: $3.50

I'll edit reads and stuff later when i have more time. I basically do this to get him off all Ts, Maybe an overpair, and missed draws. You can say i could bet less to get him to fold this flush/straight draws for cheaper, but i thought he would call with like AT or something for sure.

I don't think he has a J very often, since a J should be betting that 2 2tone turn, with some scary straight draws.

On the river I'm basically just repping a J. Looking like i was trying to go for a C/r on the turn. If he backdoored into the flush, i pretty much hate life, but does he ever have a good hand here?

My range is always going to be very polarized with my overbet shove on the river. I do it for value a lot. Also, i dont think merging my range is too important at the site/stakes im playing here.
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Old 05-15-2009, 12:04 AM
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If this is really on AP, if you post villain's screen name I might be able to help you more.

But in general, I think that you can bluff much more credibly and cheaply by betting ~52 on the turn. You didn't say whether villain is a handreader, but what value hands are you check/raising the turn with? Also, what value hands that you missed a turn c/r with overbet shove the river?
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Old 05-15-2009, 01:30 AM
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You realize that you beat KQ right? He may have a ten, though. His range isn't that strong. An overbet here is okay as he folds his ten a lot here, but you might get looked up light here enough that the bet might not be good depending on how strong his range is as your overbet is I think about 1.2x pot only.
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Old 05-15-2009, 06:22 AM
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Without any specific reads, I don't like it.
You don't really rep anything... why would you check a J here on the turn? As you said for him: You should lead out, cause the board is pretty wet. Do you think, that he will bet a draw after getting c/r? And you should get more value from a T by just betting turn and river. He might just put you on a busted draw and call light...
By overbetting you need him to fold really often... I think, that this is a pretty gross spot to bluff. We have showdown-value against all draws!
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Old 05-15-2009, 02:49 PM
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You beat 98, KQ, Q9 and all FDs and without reads I wouldn't believe that he folds Tx hands here... When you bluff you are only getting those hands to fold that you beat anyway. You are not repping anything here, so I don't really believe that you get anything to fold that had you beat on the flop (except 77-99 maybe).

If you don't bet the turn, take a showdown and win. I would like betting the turn, because that way you are more likely to get Tx hands to fold and draws could still call (and you beat them). I know I wouldn't fold AT on that river...

When you check the turn, your line simply doesn't make sense for any Jx anymore... you are trying to rep an overpair or full house, but neither of those would overbet the river when it's likely that villain has a weak hand.
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Old 05-16-2009, 08:03 AM
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I don't like the flop C/R because you will get called a ton by hands that beat you and draws so you won't know where you are at with a bloated up pot on the turn and a weak made hand being forced to check/fold or invest a ton of money to see a river.
the river shove won't get much credit from good hand readers but I guess that if you think he is bad enough to fold aces here it's ok.
I wouldn't shove river though, and that's coming from a mega spewtard that loves to gambool
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Old 05-17-2009, 12:04 AM
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So funny how you say I have serious leaks in my game, this hand makes me want to puke at how bad you misplayed everything but preflop.
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