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Old 06-17-2009, 11:08 AM
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Here we have a little bit of a different situation as we are faced with a river decision rather than a flop or turn situation. We are 180bb effective stacks and villain is 40/15/2.3 with a 17 3bet preflop. I'm more than deep enough to setmine here. We flop our set on a flushdraw board and are faced with an ugly decision on the river.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($100.40)
SB ($102.80)
BB ($180.20)
UTG ($127.75)
Hero (MP) ($233.65)
CO ($46.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6, 6
1 fold, Hero bets $3.50, 3 folds, BB raises to $11, Hero calls $7.50

Flop: ($22.50) K, 3, 6 (2 players)
BB bets $12, Hero raises to $36, BB calls $24

Turn: ($94.50) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $60, BB calls $60

River: ($214.50) 4 (2 players)
BB bets $73.20 (All-In), Hero?

Theres now $287 in the pot and $73.20 to call and getting 4:1 odds here. Call or fold????

I'd also like comments on bet sizes for all streets as well. Not used to playing this deep quite honestly.
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Old 06-17-2009, 11:32 AM
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I think its played fine, but on the river its a sick spot. To be honest, i call that river expecting to lose a lot of the time. I actually think the right play here is to fold because i think these villains are rarely bluffing.

Reasons i call though, is to know i got sucked out on, and if i can learn that this villain is willing to call that bet on the turn with a naked flush draw, i dont feel too bad losing this pot a majority of the time.
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Old 06-17-2009, 02:49 PM
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Bet sizing was done really poorly with this hand. On the flop, you need to come up with a multi-street plan of how to get the money in the middle. You sized your flop raise so that on the turn, the pot is 95 and effective stacks are 133, which is just terribly awkward.

There are 2 ways that you could have done this better:

1) Raise the flop to 50. Then on the turn, the pot would have been 123 with effective stacks of 119, and you can just shove. I think this is the best approach against this kind of villain.

2) Raise the flop to 28. Then on the turn, the pot would have been 79 with effective stacks of 141. Then you could bet 40 into 79 on the turn and 101 into 159 on the river.
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Old 06-18-2009, 04:32 AM
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as played, i get it in. he could easily have aa, ak. I wouldn't care too much about the flush. as played, YOU could easily have a flushdraw and played it aggressiv.
IMO, you loose against KK or AQc, AJc. What else does he 3bet with pf, that beats us right now?
call.
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Old 06-23-2009, 11:38 AM
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He was getting 155 to 60 = 2.6 to 1 on the turn, so he needs to get like 85$ or more from you on the river to break even with a flushdraw. So even if he shows up with the flush here, you still made money. Getting so good odds on the river with a set... I just call. I don't think, that you can make the fold here, since you have to be right 3 out of 4 times to make it break even. If he played AK this or some other weird hand this way and you fold... it's sooo -EV.

I think, your bet sizing is fine. You could make it a bit more on the flop and turn, but since he didn't get the odds to call anywhere and we get his whole stack, that's fine.
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