200nl 5 handed

[mxrider]

Ok, I played my first session of 200nl yesterday and only had one table going as I ease into this. There was a huge fish (villain) at the table playing 70/8/1.3 with a 54% cold call. Everyone at the table was focused on this guy. He was shorstacking for the most part and I've already busted him once when he had gotten down to about 30bb. With him cold calling so much, there was a lot of squeezing going on. The BB had been squeezing my button opens fairly frequently and I decided to 4bet here pretty much planning on taking the pot down right there. When fish shoves, I'm in a bit of a spot as I've seen him do this with ATo, A2o and 44 so far. Given this information, are we comitted here?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($200)
BB ($210.95)
UTG ($405.30)
Hero (MP) ($450.85)
Button ($115.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6, A
2 folds, Hero bets $7, Button calls $6, SB raises to $20, Hero raises to $45, Button raises to $115.40 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero ???

There's $180 in the pot and it is $70 to call so I'm getting 2.5:1 here and I need to have 38% equity to make this a call. Thoughts?

[given1982]

Actually, you only need 28% equity to break even on a call here, so you have to call.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 27.961% 26.67% 01.29% 9588822 465334.50 { Ah6h }
Hand 1: 72.039% 70.75% 01.29% 25438893 465334.50 { KK+, AKs, AKo }

[kgu1]

I'd call... but I wouldn't be happy at all with the call. I don't know if I would 4bet bet in this position with A6s, unless you had a read that SB 3bet light. Of course, BTN strangely shoves here, but most of the time, if SB shoved, you'd have to call and would be dominated almost all of the time. Although BTN is a fish, you're never good here, so even with the right equity, I wouldn't want to gamble $115 with A6s.

[mxrider]

Originally Posted by given1982

Actually, you only need 28% equity to break even on a call here, so you have to call.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 27.961% 26.67% 01.29% 9588822 465334.50 { Ah6h }
Hand 1: 72.039% 70.75% 01.29% 25438893 465334.50 { KK+, AKs, AKo }

How do you come up with 28% cuz this is important to me?

I need to call 70 to win 180 so I took 70/180 to come up with 38.88%. Obv I'm missing something pretty big here. Are you adding my 70 in as well to get 70/250? If so, that seems wrong to me to factor in my own 70 there.

[given1982]

Originally Posted by mxrider

How do you come up with 28% cuz this is important to me?

I need to call 70 to win 180 so I took 70/180 to come up with 38.88%. Obv I'm missing something pretty big here. Are you adding my 70 in as well to get 70/250? If so, that seems wrong to me to factor in my own 70 there.

This is pretty basic EV stuff. You can calculate it a bunch of ways.

70/250 = .28

180x - 70 (1 - x) = 0 where x is equity
180x - 70 + 70x = 0
250x = 70
x = .28

Also, you noted that you're getting roughly 2.5:1.
1/3.5 = .2857

And you know that when you're getting 2:1, you need 33% equity, and when you're getting 3:1, you need 25% equity, so you would expect the equity you need when getting 2.5:1 to be in between 25% and 33%.

[Vantek]

LOL @ mxrider not knowing how to calculate equity. I foresee you going on a complete rampage now imo.

(The explanation that will make you feel dumbest: you're the button heads up at 50NL and your opponent open shoves, you need to call ~50 to win ~50, you are getting about 1:1 on your money do you need 100% equity to break even?)

EDIT: haha, just remembered button acts first. It's spreading imo.

[TheDeKay]

As Given already pointed out, we have to call here. If you get about 2.5 to 1 preflop, it's basically always an auto-stack off.

Originally Posted by mxrider

When fish shoves, I'm in a bit of a spot as I've seen him do this with ATo, A2o and 44 so far.

But because of this, I don't like your 4bet here. If the fish really stacks off that light, there is no value in trying to push both off their hands. If the fish would fold almost everything, the play would be fine - but it's horrible, if he get's it in /w any A, any pp.

[mxrider]

Originally Posted by vantek

lol @ mxrider not knowing how to calculate equity. I foresee you going on a complete rampage now imo.

(the explanation that will make you feel dumbest: You're the button heads up at 50nl and your opponent open shoves, you need to call ~50 to win ~50, you are getting about 1:1 on your money do you need 100% equity to break even?)

edit: Haha, just remembered button acts first. It's spreading imo.

bite me!

[mxrider]

Originally Posted by TheDeKay

But because of this, I don't like your 4bet here. If the fish really stacks off that light, there is no value in trying to push both off their hands. If the fish would fold almost everything, the play would be fine - but it's horrible, if he get's it in /w any A, any pp.

Very good point, and well taken.

[Vantek]

bite me!

Hey, I'm mad envious imo, because whatever you are doing when you are not calculating equity, you are doing it ÖÖÖÖing right imo