Short stacker shoves for ~pot on the flop

[Silverthunder]

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($107.25)
MP ($92)
CO ($62.10)
Button ($100)
SB ($12.64)
Hero (BB) ($180.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J:spade:, 8:club:
4 folds, SB calls $0.50, Hero bets $4, SB calls $3

Flop: ($8) 3:spade:, 10:spade:, 8:spade: (2 players)
SB raises to $8.64 (All-In), Hero ???





I did not know anything about the villain; I had played about 2 orbits with him.

I figured as long as he only has a flush draw OR no better than a pair (but not both), I have the equity to call. So that was my reasoning. What do you guys think?

[given1982]

This is a trivially easy call. You're getting 2:1, so you only need 33% equity to break even on a call.

Board: 3s Ts 8s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.031% 33.93% 00.10% 9405 28.50 { Js8c }
Hand 1: 65.969% 65.87% 00.10% 18258 28.50 { TT+, 88, 33 }

His range is so much wider than that.

[podbelski]

The other thing I see is the villains ultra-short stack, this means after calling your raise he has less then the potsize behind and can bluff-shove the flop with any two. On the other side, when you raise him pre you should expect such behavior on any flop, so maybe not so bad option is just to check pre and see what flop brings (with the hand type you have). If you had at least A-high I'm more inclined towards raising as you did.

[chinz]

Even against a strong valuerange you're getting the odds to call like given said...

When you add hands like JQ, 97, J9, spade draws and some stupid bluffs (something like AJ or K9), I'd say you're probably even slightly ahead of his range.

[Silverthunder]

This hand represents not really a very challenging situation, though at the time I did not think that it was a super obvious spot.

I think that making posts about not very tough spots is beneficial becuase sometimes I can get comments about my preflop play/ other random topics come up. For example, I made a post last week about a J4s hand and got some good comments about the preflop play.

[tmiby]

IMO I don't see a reason to raise pre. There will be better spots to take the smallstakes cash!

He has 12BB, when you raise to 4BB, the pot becomes the size of his stack and it's even ok when he pushes a flop like that with a high.

That you actually hit a pair, was kinda lucky. Once you're there, it's a non brainer to call.

I prefer to raise those smallstakes with any pair or any ace or any two broadways. The raise with j8o seems to be really "forced".

[Silverthunder]

Originally Posted by tmiby

IMO I don't see a reason to raise pre. There will be better spots to take the smallstakes cash!

He has 12BB, when you raise to 4BB, the pot becomes the size of his stack and it's even ok when he pushes a flop like that with a high.

That you actually hit a pair, was kinda lucky. Once you're there, it's a non brainer to call.

I prefer to raise those smallstakes with any pair or any ace or any two broadways. The raise with j8o seems to be really "forced".

small stakes here, just barely, not micro

I think it is good to raise up with J8o. Some people say raise any 2 when the SB limps into you. Mid offsuite double gappers are pretty solid.

[podbelski]

Originally Posted by Silverthunder

I think it is good to raise up with J8o. Some people say raise any 2 when the SB limps into you. Mid offsuite double gappers are pretty solid.

This is absolutely true for the "normal" stack sizes imo

[tmiby]

Originally Posted by Silverthunder

small stakes here, just barely, not micro

I think it is good to raise up with J8o. Some people say raise any 2 when the SB limps into you. Mid offsuite double gappers are pretty solid.

I absolutely agree.BUT,not against a very shortstack in bvb.

[chinz]

If he's a bad shortstacker and not playing push/fold pre like he should, I would always raise this pre.