100 NL: Top 2 on a 4 connected board

[Silverthunder]

Cake Poker - Hand History

Hero has AsQd

Notes on villain:
-called a half stack shove with 78s, after raising it from the button.
-I think he checked his flopped top pair, could be wrong, though.
-limp CO & called a 6x raise with 44(getting odds)
-didn't semibluff his draw, though it was a 4 way pot so makes sense.
-limp J9o from button
-limp J7s UTG
-got it in with Q8 to a slightly large 6x 3 bet shove
-got it in w 22, 1/3 of stack.

That value bet on the river is fine, right? Hoping to get value from weaker 2 pair hands. I hadn't seen the c/r play out of villain, though the only history that I had with villain was this single 1 hour session.

[urbansprawler]

I would much, much rather bet the turn than the river. And, given the weakness he's shown, I would bet smaller on river.

[given1982]

Wow, you really have an irrational fear of betting the turn. The river bet is super thin--if the guy is as call-happy postflop as he is preflop, a bet is probably ok, but I'd prefer to make it smaller.

[Silverthunder]

we are not beating any aces on the turn or any other 2 pair hands. That is what was going through my head when I was playing the hand. Value on the turn seems even more thin to me.

Can't say too much about this guy post flop, not many notes on that..

[given1982]

Originally Posted by Silverthunder

we are not beating any aces on the turn or any other 2 pair hands. That is what was going through my head when I was playing the hand. Value on the turn seems even more thin to me.

Can't say too much about this guy post flop, not many notes on that..

Wow. Reread your notes. You think this guy only plays good aces? You don't think he calls with either flush draw, any 8, or any Q?

I think I need to stop posting in your threads. It always goes the same, and you never seem to learn anything. You post some hand you played weakly by checking the turn. I say you need to bet the turn. You say that you didn't think there was any value on the turn. I tell you that your handreading is terrible and the ranges you put villains on are totally distorted (presumably because the ranges you play are so weak-tight). You just keep playing hands the same way. Good luck to you sir.

[chinz]

Originally Posted by Silverthunder

we are not beating any aces on the turn or any other 2 pair hands. That is what was going through my head when I was playing the hand. Value on the turn seems even more thin to me.

Any fd, pair+fd or pair+oesd will call on the turn. And he could even call with something like T7.

Even if he has something like TJ here we have tons of equity against his hand with oesd + 2P/trips + bottom pairing outs.

[urbansprawler]

Originally Posted by Silverthunder

we are not beating any aces on the turn or any other 2 pair hands. That is what was going through my head when I was playing the hand. Value on the turn seems even more thin to me.

Seriously? How it can be thin if you're ahead of like the vast majority of his holdings (READ YOUR NOTES!!!) AND you have a straight draw JUST IN CASE you need it.

[Silverthunder]

I alienated Given I do learn a lot (maybe not fast enough) from people responding to my threads. Even if I sound like I am stubborn, I learn from people's responses. I guess I am very much about learning the "why" behind things.

I see the point you guys are making about villain's preflop ranges. I didn't have all of those notes fresh on the top of mind when I was playing/ guess I didn't properly factor that in.

edit: haha, no mods reading my posts so people can flame away/ go wild

[chinz]

I think there's a few "default assumptions" you should have about random villain at NL100 whenever you don't have any reads:
a) He plays too many hands preflop
b) He's a calling station postflop

Unless proven otherwise, I'd go with those. That A part might not be true in all of the cases, but that B part is almost always. (I'm making too much bad calls myself too, but at least I know that...)

[Silverthunder]

Originally Posted by chinz

I think there's a few "default assumptions" you should have about random villain at NL100 whenever you don't have any reads:
a) He plays too many hands preflop
b) He's a calling station postflop

Unless proven otherwise, I'd go with those. That A part might not be true in all of the cases, but that B part is almost always. (I'm making too much bad calls myself too, but at least I know that...)

okay, I don't have a lot of experience with 100NL; I have taken some shots but haven't really settled down as a grinder. In my limited experience, it did seem quite a bit harder than 50NL. My mindset was to insta give villains more credit at those stakes. Of course in this hand, we have mega detail (happens to be) preflop (for this villain) from me playing very few tables, being the first crack at 100NL in a while.