100NL: Miss Value on River?

[urbansprawler]

PokerStars Game #33527639392: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2009/10/01 22:12:56 ET
Table 'Anacostia V' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: urbansprawle ($106.80 in chips)
Seat 2: kaoz12345678 ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: GXL351 ($36.65 in chips)
Seat 4: muki8952 ($46.25 in chips)
Seat 5: canucksku ($100.05 in chips)
GXL351: posts small blind $0.50
muki8952: posts big blind $1
want2winca$h: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to urbansprawle [Jh Js]
canucksku: folds
urbansprawle: raises $2 to $3
kaoz12345678: folds
GXL351: calls $2.50
muki8952: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [2c 3s 8c]
GXL351: checks
muki8952: checks
urbansprawle: bets $5.50
GXL351: calls $5.50
muki8952: folds
*** TURN *** [2c 3s 8c] [Ad]
GXL351: checks
urbansprawle: bets $10
GXL351: calls $10
*** RIVER *** [2c 3s 8c Ad] [4s]
GXL351: checks
urbansprawle: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GXL351: shows [7c 9c] (high card Ace)
urbansprawle: shows [Jh Js] (a pair of Jacks)
urbansprawle collected $38.05 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $40 | Rake $1.95
Board [2c 3s 8c Ad 4s]
Seat 1: urbansprawle showed [Jh Js] and won ($38.05) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 2: kaoz12345678 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: GXL351 (small blind) showed [7c 9c] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 4: muki8952 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: canucksku folded before Flop (didn't bet)


What kind of rivers are you guys betting here?

Do we call a shove if he shoved instead of checking?

[Silverthunder]

A little help - you could try to copy and paste this to OP but I don't think that will work.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (MP) ($106.80)
Button ($100)
SB ($36.65)
BB ($46.25)
UTG ($100.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J:heart:, J:spade:
1 fold, Hero bets $3, 1 fold, SB calls $2.50, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9) 2:club:, 3:spade:, 8:club: (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $5.50, SB calls $5.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($20) A:diamond: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, SB calls $10

River: ($40) 4:spade: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $40 | Rake: $1.95


I think it would be tough to call a river shove- he could have AK and did not want to turn his hand face up on the turn. that is probably giving your average 100NLer too much credit though.

If they are half descent, in the blinds, their range should consist of a lot of aces/ pocket pairs.

Bet ace/jack river. Maybe there could be some argument made for betting 9 / T rivers or something that pairs one of the cards already on the board? Not sure about all this.. eager to hear other's comments.

[given1982]

It would help if you told us something about villain (and converted the hand and left out results). Against an unknown, I'm never getting to the river because I'm betting ~8 on the flop and shoving the turn. But I agree with betting only A/J rivers. There's just not very much value on other rivers unless villain is a total moron (in which case there's no need to post the hand). Calling the shove is really villain dependent--against an unknown I probably dump it.

[chinz]

You don't need to protect your hand on the river and it's probably more likely that he has a draw with an ace than he'd call you with worse (both are unlikely, of course)... So, I think checking back that river is fine.

Gotta agree with given, you could cbet a little more on the flop. If you don't, I'd still bet a little more on the turn, although I'm not too happy about that ace.

What kind of rivers are you guys betting here?

Probably none (other than J) without reads on that guy... Possibly if another ace comes.

[AdrienD]

you didnt include any reads...

anyway, looking at his stacksize i assume he is bad and I wouldve bet more on flop and probably more on turn too.

river c behind is std, if he is callingstation id bet any 2, 3, 6-J river unless its a club; cause I feel like if he still thought his hand was good on turn he is very likely to still think its good on a blank river especially if the flushdraw missed; people loooove to call when the obvious draws miss.