100NL: Good for villain to instashove his entire range?

[Silverthunder]

Is this a good play by the villain, reraz0r?

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($125.65)
Button ($134.75)
SB ($245.81)
Hero (BB) ($104.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J:heart:, 7:heart:
UTG bets $3.50, 1 fold, SB calls $3, Hero raises to $13, 1 fold, SB calls $9.50

Flop: ($29.50) 5:diamond:, 3:heart:, 9:diamond: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $16, SB raises to $232.81 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $61.50

I was never 3 betting the pocket pairs that would give me sets here.

Maybe it is true that people just don't have the goods here enough that his play is profitable. I mean AA, KK, QQ, JJ, suited aces are not that many hand combinations. Is it profitable for villain to always shove here?

[nawhead]

I have problems with squeezing an UTG open with a hand like this. Do we have any sort of read or history vs UTG?

I guess villain's OK to shove his entire range here if we've been doing this sort of thing and he's seen the type of hands we're 3betting and cbetting. Which is good. Because we should be snapcalling when we do have it.

Whether villain's push is profitable tho is how often we're 3bet/cb'ing air like this. But I really doubt villain's shoving 100% here. That's crazy.

[urbansprawler]

He probably called pre with a suited connector; FWIW the squeeze is pretty marginal. If you had like a suited ace or J8s, I'd like it a lot but J7o has almost no equity besides the immediate fold equity from 3betting and that's not always enough to squeeze.

That was a bad board to cbet IMO.

[chinz]

Originally Posted by Silverthunder

Maybe it is true that people just don't have the goods here enough that his play is profitable. I mean AA, KK, QQ, JJ, suited aces are not that many hand combinations. Is it profitable for villain to always shove here?

If he has air, he could as well just raise to something like $50-55, because it achieves the same thing and he still can fold some hands. But yes, of course you want to raise 3bettors cbets with air every now and then.

In this case it doesn't really matter (because you're 3betshoving whenever u like your hand anyway), but especially when deepstacked I like to make this bluff with some outs, for example gutshots and such.

If the stacks are deep, I'd recommend doing it with hands like 87s of hearts (gutshot + backdoor flushdraw) here. It's gives you small amount of extra equity when called... and it also serves for a great way to balance your flop raising range in spots like this... (I'm not saying that balancing is important at NL100, just that it kind of automatically balances the ratio of your value:bluffs when you choose hands with some equity to bluff)

That was a bad board to cbet IMO.

Yeah. It's not awful but this is certainly a spot where you could give up against someone who calls twice (is there any word for this?) preflop.

Pocket pairs and suited connectors are a huge part of his range, and not too many of those completely miss that board.

[Silverthunder]

Originally Posted by urbansprawler

He probably called pre with a suited connector; FWIW the squeeze is pretty marginal. If you had like a suited ace or J8s, I'd like it a lot but J7o has almost no equity besides the immediate fold equity from 3betting and that's not always enough to squeeze.

That was a bad board to cbet IMO.

it would be weird for him to do this with a suited connector pre. I mean it is a 3 bet and he is OOP. but post, you are saying it is a suited connector that just has the flush draw.

As far as that being a bad board to cbet, possibly. For the most part, though, at 100NL, I prefer those kinds of boards to cbet because a lot of the players fold if they did not hit a piece. I would rather have a board that they did not hit than one that looks like I hit. This however, may not be true in this case as the villain appears to be some sort of a regular.

Chinz, there is no word that I know of for someone that calls twice preflop.

Originally Posted by nawhead

I have problems with squeezing an UTG open with a hand like this. Do we have any sort of read or history vs UTG?

I guess villain's OK to shove his entire range here if we've been doing this sort of thing and he's seen the type of hands we're 3betting and cbetting. Which is good. Because we should be snapcalling when we do have it.

Whether villain's push is profitable tho is how often we're 3bet/cb'ing air like this. But I really doubt villain's shoving 100% here. That's crazy.

I didn't have much on this guy except that he appeared to be a regular. Spewily splashing around with 3 betting regulars is my new found passion. I don't recall exactly how much this guy saw me doing it. Probably at least a bit but probably saw very little in the way of showdowns.

I tend to cbet not a ton. As I said, I do like boards like this for cbetting as a bluff.