100 NL QQ on J high board = bluff catcher

[Silverthunder]

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($30.60)
Button ($156.45)
SB ($45.75)
BB ($113.90)
Hero (UTG) ($166.65)
MP ($108.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q:spade:, Q:diamond:
Hero bets $3.50, 4 folds, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $8.50

Flop: ($24.50) 7:spade:, 4:club:, 3:club: (2 players)
BB bets $17.25, Hero calls $17.25

Turn: ($59) J:club: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($59) 6:diamond: (2 players)
BB bets $37.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $59

The villain, Cakeson, as far as I know, is pretty descent. He may be a 2+2er that also plays higher limits, though I might be wrong about that.

Anyway, I flat the 3 bet because I rarely see villains flat 4 bets & I don't want to call a shove with QQ. Flop comes out and I think, ok, time to bluff catch AK. So he bets & I call. Even though I have played with him a bit, it's not at the point where we have any notes (or at least not many notes- I for one have nothing of relevance on him) on each other. Anyway, I think he would bet AK there as he may not know that I am thinking enough to think that he would bet AK there. On the river, I really think that he has JJ-AA or AKs and so I fold. Part of the reason for this conclusion is that he had seen me slowplay AQs on a Qxx 2 tone (I had TPTK and nut flush draw). Well, I guess that wasn't out of line slow playing, pretty standard, IMO. I don't hate a call here either as I don't have much history..

edit: definitely saw him at 1/2 table today.

[TheDeKay]

I raise flop to maybe 43$ or so... if he has KK or AA we stack off most of the time anyways.

[AdrienD]

id like a bet/fold on the turn here because that is the only way you get some more value from AK & have an easy check behind on the river;

Id bet/fold a little over 1/2 pot.

[given1982]

You need to pay better attention to the regs since you're playing on a site without HUDs. But against almost any reg, I'm raising the flop and getting it in.

[podbelski]

I'm calling the river, if I'm beat so be it ))

BTW descent is not the same as decent, that what you mean I guess)

[chinz]

I don't understand not 4betting pre.

Just calling on the flop is fine I guess, but not betting the turn is awful. On the river he should be betting anything 99+ for value, why'd you fold?

But if I decide to slowplay this preflop, I would probably play it fast on the flop, just because you really want to have other hands than draws in your flop raising range in 3bet pots.

id like a bet/fold on the turn here because that is the only way you get some more value from AK & have an easy check behind on the river;

Id bet/fold a little over 1/2 pot.

I'd c/r allin with AJ or KJ on that turn like always, so I don't really understand why'd anyone want to bet-fold overpair there. We should bet-call imo.

[Silverthunder]

Seriously, a reg 3 betting the UTG raiser is probably AK, JJ+ & possibly not even AQs. I think maybe I did not put enough description in my original post. It's a TAGish reg; he is not aggro. There was not any out of line 3 betting that I saw during the session. I would imagine him to be pretty straightforward, though I would expect him to give me credit. 2 common lines that regs use against me is bet/check/bet & check/bet/bet to underrep their hand OOP.

Given, I haven't forgetten all your advice about betting and not being scared of sets everywhere, etc. This hand probably looks like that all over again.

I am a learning player & I am struggling a bit (though I am probably not as bad as you think). I just really don't understand stacking off on the flop. I really don't think that this player will stack off with TPTK here on the flop. I don't think AJ is even in his range for 3 betting pre.

[TheDeKay]

Hm, if you have the read, that villain only 3bets you in that spot /w JJ+ and AK... just fold pre. You are a slight underdog to his range pre and it's really hard to exploit him in any way postflop, if he plays those hands reasonable.

If you think, that there are more hands in his range (like 99+ and AQ) that flop is like a dream flop!! So raise and stack off...

[given1982]

Originally Posted by Silverthunder

I am a learning player & I am struggling a bit (though I am probably not as bad as you think). I just really don't understand stacking off on the flop. I really don't think that this player will stack off with TPTK here on the flop. I don't think AJ is even in his range for 3 betting pre.

The flop was 743, so I'm not sure what AJ has to do with TPTK. There are worse overpairs in his range (that's why you called preflop, right? Or were you just set-mining?).

[Silverthunder]

thank you for all of the feedback, you guys.

Originally Posted by TheDeKay

Hm, if you have the read, that villain only 3bets you in that spot /w JJ+ and AK... just fold pre. You are a slight underdog to his range pre and it's really hard to exploit him in any way postflop, if he plays those hands reasonable.

If you think, that there are more hands in his range (like 99+ and AQ) that flop is like a dream flop!! So raise and stack off...

I didn't have any specific read but it seemed like there was a pretty good chance that he was a winning reg & I think that is their range.

Originally Posted by given1982

The flop was 743, so I'm not sure what AJ has to do with TPTK. There are worse overpairs in his range (that's why you called preflop, right? Or were you just set-mining?).

Sorry, got the hand history completely confused. I guess for some reason I thought it was a J high flop.

I wasn't just set mining.

I would say that yes, JJ would be in his range. But I think that is too small of a percentage of his range to stack off.