Interesting 2p2 Hand

[urbansprawler]

This hand struck me as very recurring and as a common leak of most players.

I would have to agree with the rickross guy on the 3rd page. Villain is going to call a jam with few T's and he has an enormous amount of flushes in his ranges. Bet/folding is terrible as well imo.

To avoid this ugly spot, what do you guys think of checking the turn? Before I post some reasons/stoves why I think it might be good so we can get into a discussion, let me know your opinions.

[podbelski]

Nothing was said about the SB, which is relevant info for me.

Headsup with BTN I think I'm betting the turn. 3way I can't be sure what is optimal (will think about it), but I'm checking the turn intending to see what BTN does and very likely fold if facing action. If turn is checked around, it will be really easier to play river (regardless of do we hit that J or not)

[ShoveOrFold]

Personally I don't think this hand is too interesting. There are definitely a lot of people writing in that thread that have no business giving advice.

C/C the turn is probably better because we are multiway, and we are likely to not improve on the river. It would be an awkward spot if we bet, get called, and any bad card comes on the turn. If we C/C we have a better chance to get to showdown and pick off floats/semibluffs. But villain doesn't seem to be much of a better/floater, so I think there is a good possibility villain checks behind. River I b/f pretty much any non K or A.

As played, I think jamming we don't get looked up by any T's. Fish like to call, but noone is gunna call overshove with 2 overcards. Also I think b/f isn't as bad as it seems in terms of pot odds. This guy is a fish, he is never raising on the river without a flush. Only case where he raises without a flush would be if he made twopair on the river, but considering 3 J's are in play, he probably won't have QJ or TJ. I also think QT raises the turn. I think best play is to bet 37ish and get called by any T or Q. If he raises we are folding with sick odds, but he almost never raises without a flush.

[chinz]

His idiot betsize on the turn is what got him into this situation. Bet $25 on the turn, shove the river. People are way too scared of overcards when they're playing against those 56/5 guys.

I don't like checking the turn. Villain will most likely check Tx and worse pairs behind on the turn and might not even bet with FD 100% of the time, we're losing way too much value by not betting the turn.

PS. I don't see any real reason to stove any ranges for someone who's playing 56/5.

[given1982]

Originally Posted by chinz

His idiot betsize on the turn is what got him into this situation. Bet $25 on the turn, shove the river. People are way too scared of overcards when they're playing against those 56/5 guys.

I don't like checking the turn. Villain will most likely check Tx and worse pairs behind on the turn and might not even bet with FD 100% of the time, we're losing way too much value by not betting the turn.

PS. I don't see any real reason to stove any ranges for someone who's playing 56/5.

I think you, like most of the people in the 2+2 thread, misread the hand. It's 3-way on the turn. It would be easier to give advice on the hand if the 2+2 OP would have given any info on the 2nd villain and more than just the basic stats on the main villain.

[chinz]

Originally Posted by given1982

I think you, like most of the people in the 2+2 thread, misread the hand. It's 3-way on the turn. It would be easier to give advice on the hand if the 2+2 OP would have given any info on the 2nd villain and more than just the basic stats on the main villain.

Yeah, I did.

I'm playing while I posted so I just read quickly that villain is 56/5 and assumed it was hu pot. I'm checking the turn 3way fwiw.