100NL- 34s hits flush on turn in limped pot

[mxrider]

I only have 52 hands on villain and he has been pretty loose passive playing 53/0/1.3. With 3 players to act behind me, I decide to just lead my turned flush pretty strongly and we get min raised by the fish. How do you proceed from there? I'm going to show what I did, but would like comments on whether it was good or not. We then have an interesting river decision.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($223.30)
BB ($274.25)
UTG ($157.70)
MP ($100)
CO ($77.30)
Button ($120.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4, 3
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, BB checks

Flop: ($4) 6, A, 7 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks

Turn: ($4) 9 (4 players)
Hero bets $4, 2 folds, CO raises to $8, Hero calls $4

River: ($20) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $50, Hero ?

[TheDeKay]

fold river imo. Turn call is ok.

[Nostalgica]

Fold. WP.

[urbansprawler]

I bomb the turn, but the way you played it it's a fold.

Also, he is a maniac by the looks of it. People are misinterpreting his AF. He has not raised ONCE preflop, all strong aces are in his range at least ~33% of the time and he is going absolutely NUTS postflop to maintain a >1 AF.

This means that, on average, EACH TIME HE CALLED HE MADE AT LEAST 1.3 BET OR RAISE. He's raised/bet ~70 times postflop based on his calling preflop.

3-bet/ship turn imo.

[podbelski]

Turn just means he has 2pair+, strong Ace rarely but possible (likely with a flushdraw). As played, river is screaming of the nuts, I don't think this type of player is brave enough for spazzy bluff.
You can throw shits, but I'm bet-calling turn and bet-folding non-paired non-4flush river, blocking bet essentially.

And I have a question to pros - is it standard to check-raise the flop here? Now I'm playing like it is when facing similar spots.

[urbansprawler]

Oh I can't believe I missed that.

Lead flop for sure.

[given1982]

I hate the preflop call, especially if you're not going to bet out on this flop. As played, turn and river are fine as long as you folded.

[Nostalgica]

Preflop call was super standard. Folding with those odds is ugly. Checking flop is fine too, because a check raise is going to be far stronger + c/c is best since it's fairly likely someone's hit.

Look, this "oh you called with a bad hand preflop, so you MUST bluff it postflop otherwise your call preflop would be bad" mentality is bs. Each decision should be made seperately. Just because you made 1 bad play doesn't mean you have to make another bad play. That said it's NOT a bad play, because you have excellent odds. If you had missed completely, c/fing would be absolutely fine for 50 cents. Be rational. Aggression is good, but pick good spots.

Donking here is not very good at all unless they are super weak tight. You will get very few folds from pairs, and will have to barrel, and even then Ax may call 3 streets.

[given1982]

Originally Posted by Nostalgica

Preflop call was super standard. Folding with those odds is ugly. Checking flop is fine too, because a check raise is going to be far stronger + c/c is best since it's fairly likely someone's hit.

Look, this "oh you called with a bad hand preflop, so you MUST bluff it postflop otherwise your call preflop would be bad" mentality is bs. Each decision should be made seperately. Just because you made 1 bad play doesn't mean you have to make another bad play. That said it's NOT a bad play, because you have excellent odds. If you had missed completely, c/fing would be absolutely fine for 50 cents. Be rational. Aggression is good, but pick good spots.

Donking here is not very good at all unless they are super weak tight. You will get very few folds from pairs, and will have to barrel, and even then Ax may call 3 streets.

I feel like you misread the hand. You're talking about betting being a bluff. You saw that we have a straight flush draw, right?

Maybe if you're really skilled postflop, completing preflop is ok, but it's never going to be hugely profitable, and is more likely to be unprofitable.

[Nostalgica]

We do have a straight flush draw, but we're not getting raised, and it's of the gutshot variety, so our equity vs a stack-off hands (let's say 2 pair or better flush draw) is less than 50%. I'd still stack off, but I'd much rather put in a big check raise because then I can stack off on the flop rather than betting and getting called. + with a weak flush draw multiway, I don't think I am ever getting it in good much on later streets if at all if I bet big, get called, hit flush, bet, and get shoved on, even if they have As + pair sometimes.

Our hand is strong, true, but I think it's not strong enough that the optimal value is had by getting as much money in asap, but rather, hitting, betting decent amounts, and winning a nice mid sized pot. Not every good hands needs to net you an entire stack, even if that's the best case scenario.

As for preflop, it only costs half a bb. Calling is definitely correct even if we call to hit 2pair + and such, and we don't spew hardcore by stacking off bottom two or something. You'd have to be spewey for the call to be bad. Just c/f a lot afterwards, half a bb is worth it.