100NL- 3bet with 64s vs LAG

[mxrider]

Only 47 hands on villain but clearly enoug hands to know this guy is quite laggy preflop. He is playing 59/41/12 overall with a fold to 3b of 50 but only 2 opportunities for that. I 3bet him as I thought there was a good chance of just taking this away preflop with a hand that shouldn't cost me a fortune postflop and I have been playing pretty TAG. I decide not to CB oop here as I have some showdown value and would like to see a showdown if possible. When he checks behind the flop, I'm thinking I am good. The 9 is a realatively blank card and by me checking both the flop and turn, I feel we have to call. The river 9 I feel is a good card for us as it makes him having a 9 unlikely. Thoughts?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($193.30)
UTG ($244.15)
MP ($110.15)
CO ($80.80)
Button ($83.30)
SB ($56)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, 4
2 folds, CO bets $3.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10, CO calls $6.50

Flop: ($20.50) 6, J, 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($20.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $11, Hero calls $11

River: ($42.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $25, Hero calls $25

Total pot: $92.50 | Rake: $3

[Nostalgica]

Bet sizing looks like a jack a lot, but with not that many combos and assuming most players won't bet worse for value, I think call is fine.

[urbansprawler]

I don't understand why you 3-bet preflop if you don't think you can bluff this board. Did you assume your FE to be that high?

He does like an aggrotard...I'm not sure where I stand on this call.

[mxrider]

Originally Posted by urbansprawler

I don't understand why you 3-bet preflop if you don't think you can bluff this board. Did you assume your FE to be that high?

He does like an aggrotard...I'm not sure where I stand on this call.

If I had whiffed totally, I would have made a standard cbet. The reason I took this line was that I felt I had showdown value vs this opponent. I wanted to try and keep the pot small here.

[given1982]

This whole hand is a spew. I hate the 3bet. I'd just open the value 3bet range against this kind of opponent (something like 88+ AJ+ KQ). You say the hand shouldn't cost you a fortune postflop, but then you put in 36bb with 3rd pair when you have no clue how villain plays postflop.

[chinz]

I don't like 3betting 6 high against someone who's VPIP is over 50and plays ultra-aggressive (we don't have enough sample for accurate info, but he is very likely to be very loose/aggressive given that small sample) ... he's gonna call you way too often preflop and he's also probably more inclined to 4bet you light.

If I check the flop I'd call down here. If he turns out to be a thinking LAG regular, he's probably valuebetting 88+ here though, so you're gonna get owned quite often. However, having flush doesn't make sense because he checked the flop behind and turned flushdraw missed (as did turned straight draws).

Normally I'd be inclined to think that he's less likely to have a complete bluff when he checks back the flop and then bets two later streets, but that turn brought both flush and straight draws to the board, which both missed..

[TheDeKay]

1. As others have stated, I don't like the 3bet as well.
2. But I think your postflop line is fine. He either has some weak Jx hand (QJ, JT), 98 or air. He might just double barrel here most of the time since our line looks weak to him (check this board twice = we can't have a good hand) and he is unlikely to have a very strong hand since his line looks pretty weak. Or do you have a read like "he does not protect good hands"?

[mxrider]

Totally agree about the 3b preflop. 2 things that I have learned from this discussion overall here and at another forum:

1. Don't 3b a super lag as they are likely to call with many types of hands.
2. By being oop, I am allowing him to do whatever he wants and I'm in guessing mode all the way.

My read on this guy at the time was that he was trying to put pressure on people. When he checked back the flop, I put him on some sort of air quite often. Had the river not paired the turn, I would have folded as I felt it put more likely a bluff in his range. He ended up showing A2o and I took down the pot. That fact is irrelevant as it was more important to play the hand properly then win it and wanted some overall opinions.

[TheDeKay]

Originally Posted by mxrider

1. Don't 3b a super lag as they are likely to call with many types of hands.

Imo you can 3bet them light, when you are in position and then try to find leaks - very profitable imo.