QQ vs 99

[dluxe]

weaktight | Hand

My opponent seems to be new at 100NL, never saw him before. So I don't have any notes or reads on him. He is multi-tabling the same 6 tables as I am and seems to play pretty decent semi-loose aggressive. What are your thoughts on my play and his play pre-flop in the SB?

Thanks!

[tmiby]

pretty standart play IMO.

KK and AA would 4bet you pre.
he could do this with TT, JJ.
he could further do this with FD or rarely with AK - you're favorit.
an yes, he could do this with sets.

[given1982]

I think it's played fine by everyone.

[dluxe]

Yes, it is a standard play. But what about his call with the 99 in the SB? Is that still +EV? I would only call or maybe reraise there with a minimum of TT if I was in his position...

[Qgel]

Originally Posted by dluxe

Yes, it is a standard play. But what about his call with the 99 in the SB? Is that still +EV? I would only call or maybe reraise there with a minimum of TT if I was in his position...

You shouldn't play by the hand chart like that. In these situations it all comes down to who your opponent is and what is your plan for the hand.

For instance: we raise in the sb w/ 99 and BB 3bets. We look at his stats and maybe some relevant notes and find out that he is an extremely aggresive 3bettor. In this situation folding 99 is a very big mistake because he is 3betting a lot of hands that we are ahead of like suited junk or Ax or smaller pairs. So we have 2 options. First is to call his 3bet and play back at a lot of flops, call him down light etc. but this could be difficult oop against a very aggresive player. 2nd option is to just 4bet smallish and call his shove expecting him to just fold so often that it's +ev on it's own. It's also great for us if he folds a broadway like JT because we're flipping with that hand. And we're not in terrible shape against his shoving range either.

Here's another example: same situation, we raise SB w/ 99 and BB 3bets. This time we look at his stats/notes/history and see that he is a huge nit who only ever 3bets monsters. Let's say effective stacks are 130bbs. We look at our pot odds and figure it's worth it to purely set mine postflop so we call the 3bet.

You can see how our decisions and plans for the hand can drastically change depending on who our opponent is. We can call in both examples profitably but in the 1st example we should be C/raising or at least C/calling a 376 flop whereas in the 2nd example we should probably be C/folding the same board.

[Nostalgica]

vs a "standard" range bvb, folding 99 is horrendous. Even in a HU match where you're IP, folding for 100bbs is bad without a strong read, but now that you're OOP, you expect to get 3bet a fair amount more often unless you're super tight in the SB, and as a result, the villain's range is even wider/lighter, so stacking off 99 even vs an aggressive would actually be very okay.

[chinz]

Originally Posted by dluxe

Yes, it is a standard play. But what about his call with the 99 in the SB? Is that still +EV? I would only call or maybe reraise there with a minimum of TT if I was in his position...

More interesting question is should he 4bet or call the 3bet OOP, but folding would be bad.

It depends on villain, your history with him and your overall image, but against many regulars I would 4bet 99 here as villain (making it like 25-26 which commits me with 99 but still gives him enough rope to make a mistake like shove smaller PP or something like A4s etc...)

Facing 3bets in blindsteal situations, any decent player should be 3betting enough (and shoving AK-AQ over 4bets), which make both 4betting and calling a shove after 4betting +ev play. If you're image is really-really aggro, there's also a small change that he's shoving smaller PPs or ace-rags, which make both 4betting and calling a shove even better.


edit:
Against unknown player I would just flatcall as SB tho.

[dluxe]

Thanks for the great answers! Learned some new things! But you have to look out at 100NL, you can't make to many fancy plays. It just depends on the opponents, Ladbrokes 100NL players are mostly fish. I try to play pretty much only abc-poker at 100NL.