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Old 08-08-2010, 09:29 AM
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I think, you don't consider the information op gave us, the stack sizes and the bet-size.
1) The villains are fish, so their UTG range is very likely much wider than you my think
2) With those stack we RLY want to charge draws against fish, cause they have way less implied pot odds (which potentially makes it more profitable to charge draws)
3) The 3$ bet doesn't look like KK+ or 8x to me, maybe it is, but I think that this bet size indcates more a draw than a strong made hand...

Edit: Your points are valid, if you play vs nitty opponents with deeper stacks... but I'm not sure, if I would call AQo pre then.
Oh and another point: If you don't raise AQ here, you should not raise any kind of semi-bluff or so here as well. So you always should chose a passiv line in these spots, if you don't raise AQ for value.
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Old 08-09-2010, 02:05 AM
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Well I think at those games we don't expect our opponents (you say fish) to really notice too much so balance is not a big issue.

I think raising is fine, I just wonder if calling has better value; you say we're shallow and we want to charge draws. Wouldn't it be the reverse also? We're shallow so he has less implied odds? I guess what you mean is we're shallow and stacking off is okay so we are not worried about getting bet/3bet as much. I just think if we flat and they barrel turn on a brick we get much more equity when we shove it there.

Really I see merit in both, and I think reads would sway it both ways, but without reads, the fact that it's UTG and we have position means that, I think, calling has few disadvantages. If we're OOP, raise is far more standard, and also if we have a redraw, calling is less of a problem, too.
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Old 08-09-2010, 03:14 PM
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Dude... we are the BB... we are oop
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Old 08-10-2010, 07:31 AM
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