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Old 04-20-2009, 08:24 PM
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Default Good ROI to shoot for?

Was just wondering what a good return on investment would be good to aim for at low level 9 man SnG's
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Old 04-21-2009, 01:46 PM
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Im not too in the know on this subject but i would say 15-20% for a good player.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:14 PM
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Depends on the $ amount of the games. Lower $ amounts it wouldnt be crazy to hold a 20-25% roi. while the higher the $ amount, more grinders will be in the game, and you will find that will affect your roi, thus dropping your win rate
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Old 04-21-2009, 04:43 PM
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People saying to shoot for 15-25% roi at these 9 man sngs is pretty funny. Even the best 9 man small stakes sng players struggle to get over 10% roi. Check any big name sng players roi on sharkscope, you will hardly find any that fit the 15-25% range, and these are the best sng players in the world. Even the number one and two 2$-5$ STT turbo players have "only" 11% and 8% roi.

If you honestly think someone can hold a 25% roi playing SNGs in 2009, then please open a training site and spread your knowledge.
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Old 04-21-2009, 06:57 PM
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I was taking what said...

"...In the years since this survey was published a lot of changes have taken place. These include the US legislation which has taken many purely recreational players from the game, the growth of training sites such as PxF / Cardrunners and SNG Icons, and the availability and common use of poker software tools.

The common consensus is that these numbers have been reduced and that today’s chart should look like this:

11s - 20% ROI
20s - 15% ROI
33s - 10% ROI
55s - 8% ROI
109s - 7% ROI
215s - 6% ROI..."

These rates used to be higher too. All of these ROI are based on nearly perfect play at each of these levels over several thousands of games.

When I said 20-25% I was thinking the lowest dollar amounts possible too, and I had no basis to back that, I just assumed if I used the above data, that we could see an increase of roi at lower levels than $11 games.

I personaly run lower. $5 games 15% and $10 games at 9%, but I obviously don't play nearly close to perfect, and only have around 300 to 400 games of both under my belt, so my confidence interval is only in the 40% range. My guess is the top sng pros have a tendency to play several sngs at a time at lower levels, and that doesn't allow for perfect play all the time, and when they play higer levles, their roi is reduced based due to the increased level of competition. I do notice on sharkscope most top sng players run at 5-6% but that is at the top levels too. Turbo players will see a reduced roi, but an increase in profit per hour. The top turbo players at the $2-5 are likely to be playing 9-12 games at a time. On sharkscope, if you check out hi_am_chris... he is the top $5 9man sng player, for roi... he has around a 37% roi after over 2000 games at that level.

Anyone elses thoughts? I would love to here how some other people are doing.

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Old 04-22-2009, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by dansiek View Post
Im not too in the know on this subject but i would say 15-20% for a good player.
Best micro/smallstakes 45man SNG regulars have something like that. Anything above 10% is REALLY good in 9man SNGs even at the smallest stakes.

Originally Posted by ShoveOrFold View Post
If you honestly think someone can hold a 25% roi playing SNGs in 2009, then please open a training site and spread your knowledge.
I believe that any midstakes regular would hold 20% or better ROI at the smallest games... and yeah, why would any of them wanna do that? They much rather have that 9% ROI on $100 ones.
srsly guise

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Old 05-15-2009, 01:27 AM
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MTSnGs also allow for higher RoIs

But overall at the $5-12~ level 15% would be about the best you should expect. If you do better than that you're playing way below your limit.
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