VIDEO DISCUSSION: mxrider 3 - 6 tabling 10nl on Full Tilt

[Trikkur]

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Here I try and show how playing a straight forward style can be profitable. I get away from this mindset a couple times and it costs me. Tight is right at the micro's!

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[chinz]

I've been drinking a little... but I try to comment on a few spots...

Our playing style is very different, as I have twice your VPIP and you limp a lot. but I'll try to agree (on most situations) with your different preflop strategy. I'll be focusing on postflop and only preflop spots that look leaks to me.

I am not saying that all these spots are played wrong, but I would at least play them differently:


3:40
you flop a top pair with the nuts (72o) and you don't bet with it. I know your reason for it, but I'd bet hoping for folds... even if they call you probably have the best hand.

3:50
You have over 600 hands sample size, this guy is 18/14 and he simply doesn't steal... yet you decide to make a squeeze with AJ and you make it 20bb.

For that tight player, it doesn't really matter if you 3bet to 15bb or 20bb, and I think 20bb is too big anyway. And against a player like that, AJ is pretty awful hand to squeeze, I'd rather have 78s in case he decides to call your 3bet.
(More about betsizing on 5:25)

4:10
You limp with KQo from the SB, instead of raising to isolate the limper. KQ is a really hard hand to play in a limped pot, if flop comes K52 the BB might have K5 and stack you and you can't really blame him for playing bad.

5:25
You 3bet AA out of position and this time you make it only 12.5bb, when you squeezed to 20bb (1 caller in between) with AJ. Why is that? That UTG is 10/5, so he will probably fold or 4bet anyway... so you don't have to make smaller betsizing to induce anything (not that I would suggest it anyway).

If you 3bet 12.5bb with no limpers, your squeeze size with 1 caller should be 15-16bb. (AJ hand)

5:45
You fold JQo from the CO, are you f'ing serious?!?! The fact that 60 VPIP fish limped before you makes this even worse. I'd open 45s+ and 89o+ here.

6:45
It's a push or fold situation for shortstack anyway, so I would 4bet QQ here, because I don't want to see A or K high flop. With KK or AA flatting would be better.

6:55
I would rather raise A9s here than limp. Not a huge deal tho, you are getting 4+ way with suited ace so implied odds are OK I guess... I just never limp myself at least from MP.

8:10
He donks $1 to $4 pot and you raise to $3 with QQ... Make it $5 (a pot) because if he's gonna call he's gonna call it too... and you don't want him to outdraw you for cheap.

9:15
You are flatting JJ against a player with 40 PFR out of position... Especially when you are out of position, you don't want to play hands like JJ (especially against someone who's range is about any two cards). What's up with that min-4bet really?

10:10
Perfect situation (and good hand) to squeeze and you just auto-fold without even thinking about it.

13:25
Unless the river was an ace, I might actually think about calling the river... He's got either 7, 9 or missed draw and we beat two of those.

15:30
"Poker is boring when played properly"... I don't Agree! If you want action, try playing HU or just play LAG (not on NL10). Some people are playing 35 VPIP on midstakes and winning a lot doing so.

15:50
SB limp and you (BB) check with A3o... I'd raise here. You have position and your hand is somewhat easy to play postflop (against that passive opponent). But most of all, people limping from SB will fold most of the time to BB raise. So you are mainly raising for FE. He also has 100% fold to cbet, so raising any two and cbetting any flop is +EV against him.

16:50
JKo and you limp from the cutoff... please don't, it makes me a sad panda.

17:40
Even with the shortstack limper, I am opening KJo anytime from the button... If he had less than 15bb I might reconsider.

24:55
You call a min-3bet with ATo... which you certainly shouldn't. This is his first 3bet and he has played 5 out of his 15 hands so far and raised every one of them preflop, which makes me think he has some kind of idea what he is doing. ATo is a horrible hand to call this with.

25:10
If you want to pot control, you should rather check on the river, instead of giving him a free chance for river suckout. You have TPGK and he's shown no strenght (and he is certainly NOT a passive player).

26:20
Just ship it in on the flop against this guy (when he's shortstacked)... There can be a lot of bad turns for you. Calling was probably the worst possible choice... You are committed to stack of if flush hits and/or you are not getting his whole stack if he has just a draw and doesn't hit.

27:55
You are raising on the turn with TPTK... first I was gonna say it's very bad and you are turning your hand into a bluff, but given this guy's stats (he probably wouldn't fold a weaker TP here) it's actually pretty good move I think... It just didn't work this time.

31:50
You said "he actually played that hand quite well" (guy flatted JJ on A high flop, turn was 2nd A and you didn't bet. With someone playing as straighforward as you, he should probably valuebet the river. (at least if the FD didn't hit)

33:30
You fold K9s on the button with no limpers and both blinds are playing tight... Opening any two is profitable here, even if you openfold any flop unless you hit two pair or better.

37:40
You open 76s from button against shortstack maniac on the blinds... This is a spot where I would consider just folding it, and I'm supposed to be the maniac. Works this time, but probably -EV on the long run.

38:00
You isolate shortstack with Q9o and make a standard sized cbet (he hasn't folded to single one yet) when you miss. You can cbet smaller against shortstacks... and that flop is something they are gonna check-shove like 80% of the time. I would probably check behind against this maniac.

44:40
Good shove with 99, as he has a lot of air in his 3bet range and is probably the type to get it in even with AQ. So even when you get called, you are very often flipping... like you were this time. This is probably one of the hands I like most in this video.


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I know you explained in the video why "LAGing it up" is not good at NL10, but I think you should still play a little more hands (for value, like that Qjo I mentioned) in position. You are playing WAAAAY overtight from CO/BTN.


PS.
I might have found a reason for your downswing... you can hear it at around 2:55. Sounds like opening a beer can!

PPS.
Please stop that minraising!

PPPS.
Of course I forgot to mention the table numbers, you'll probably figure them out.

[SeP121]

I just wanted to drop by and say I lol'd pretty hard when you said "hopefully we wont be interupted... IM AT WORK" I straight lost it. Unless you own your own business and I'm not aware?

but on a more serious note: I dont agree with a quarter of your plays. most of the time its because you are not getting enough value for some of your better hands and letting people extract value from your worse ones. sorry no specifics but I've watched the past 3 of your vids and I have noticed you did this.

[mxrider]

Originally Posted by SeP121

I just wanted to drop by and say I lol'd pretty hard when you said "hopefully we wont be interupted... IM AT WORK" I straight lost it. Unless you own your own business and I'm not aware?

lololol....I do own my own business

but on a more serious note: I dont agree with a quarter of your plays. most of the time its because you are not getting enough value for some of your better hands and letting people extract value from your worse ones. sorry no specifics but I've watched the past 3 of your vids and I have noticed you did this.

I know I have a lot of leaks and therefore put these up for critique looking for ways to improve my game as well as help those that aren't quite to my level.

[mojo6911]

I put in 30 hours at work last week. I am a flight instructor and the weather was bad, so I didn't fly. LOL.


Early the video, don't really like the Squeeze from AJo in the BB. AJ is a bad hand to play a big pot, out of position, IMO. I would rather do it with something like 89s, 9Ts, etc.. which is less likely to be dominated and has the potential for a lot of big flops. Just my opinion, however.

Later, you just call with A9 suited against a guy that is 60/0 instead of isolating him. I think this is a classic spot to isolate and cbet.

I don't really like the flat with JJ in the SB against an UTG with 40/40. I 3-bet here to try to take it down, but you got his stack with AJ, so I guess I like it afterall.

I hate the limped 54s from the Cutoff with the missing button. I think you are limping way too much, overall.

You call a minraise with 88, which I don't mind, and then the two callers play extremely passive. You get 33 right after on the button and the same two guys play the same way. I would have raised the 33 on the button and c-bet the flop.

I only got about halfway through the video. Overall, you limped too much. Other than that, I think the other spots that I posted are just my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt. I realize you were in a bad way after falling so far.

[chinz]

BTW for discussions sake I'd like if you could use a little time to comment my suggestions, especially if you don't agree with something I said.

[mxrider]

Ok, gonna rewatch and comment as I'm going along with this:

Originally Posted by chinz

I've been drinking a little... but I try to comment on a few spots...

Our playing style is very different, as I have twice your VPIP and you limp a lot. but I'll try to agree (on most situations) with your different preflop strategy. I'll be focusing on postflop and only preflop spots that look leaks to me.

I am not saying that all these spots are played wrong, but I would at least play them differently:

I'd actually like to see a few sessions of your play

3:40
you flop a top pair with the nuts (72o) and you don't bet with it. I know your reason for it, but I'd bet hoping for folds... even if they call you probably have the best hand.

I normally do lead out tp/nk but on this board, there are no cards I will like going forward and I'm OOP hence the way I played this one.

3:50
You have over 600 hands sample size, this guy is 18/14 and he simply doesn't steal... yet you decide to make a squeeze with AJ and you make it 20bb.

For that tight player, it doesn't really matter if you 3bet to 15bb or 20bb, and I think 20bb is too big anyway. And against a player like that, AJ is pretty awful hand to squeeze, I'd rather have 78s in case he decides to call your 3bet.
(More about betsizing on 5:25)

I disagree with you a little here. Villain is a solid player but also steals 24%, which is not a small amount. Versus a full 24% range, my AJ is probably ahead and hence the 3bet. As far as size goes, I'm oop and tend to make my raises a little larger when squeezing in the bb. Not saying this is right, just my thoughts.

4:10
You limp with KQo from the SB, instead of raising to isolate the limper. KQ is a really hard hand to play in a limped pot, if flop comes K52 the BB might have K5 and stack you and you can't really blame him for playing bad.

The reason for not isolating here was that the limper was short. I do agree that it can make playing BB a little difficult but shortstackers tend to do crazy crap with all kinds of whacky hands and wanted to see a flop.

5:25
You 3bet AA out of position and this time you make it only 12.5bb, when you squeezed to 20bb (1 caller in between) with AJ. Why is that? That UTG is 10/5, so he will probably fold or 4bet anyway... so you don't have to make smaller betsizing to induce anything (not that I would suggest it anyway).

If you 3bet 12.5bb with no limpers, your squeeze size with 1 caller should be 15-16bb. (AJ hand)

I'd actually like to see some discussions about 3 bet sizes IP and OOP as this is an area that I will easily claim that I need help with.

5:45
You fold JQo from the CO, are you f'ing serious?!?! The fact that 60 VPIP fish limped before you makes this even worse. I'd open 45s+ and 89o+ here.

This is an area that I'm really unsure of at the micros. It has been a while since I played 10nl and people just don't fold so I am trying to play a tighter range of hands versus the fish as I only hit 1/3 flops and want to extract as much value with stronger hands and avoid more marginal spots.

6:45
It's a push or fold situation for shortstack anyway, so I would 4bet QQ here, because I don't want to see A or K high flop. With KK or AA flatting would be better.

I disagree here. Shortie will fold much more easily if I 4bet. By calling, yes I am giving him better odds, but the more dead money I can get in the pot the better. If an A or a K flops, I have to obviously play more cautiously.

6:55
I would rather raise A9s here than limp. Not a huge deal tho, you are getting 4+ way with suited ace so implied odds are OK I guess... I just never limp myself at least from MP.

I think this is almost even EV wise limping after utg limps and isolating. I did think about isolating, but don't like isolating with mediocre aces in mp with passive fish behind.

8:10
He donks $1 to $4 pot and you raise to $3 with QQ... Make it $5 (a pot) because if he's gonna call he's gonna call it too... and you don't want him to outdraw you for cheap.

Point taken. Since we aren't folding to a shove, getting the extra value now is absolutely the way to go here.

9:15
You are flatting JJ against a player with 40 PFR out of position... Especially when you are out of position, you don't want to play hands like JJ (especially against someone who's range is about any two cards). What's up with that min-4bet really?

I hate playing OOP and hence why I am a bit passive here. He is a bit crazy overall and I'm looking to play him a bit more postflop. The min-4bet was actually a mistake and I thought it was just putting him in

10:10
Perfect situation (and good hand) to squeeze and you just auto-fold without even thinking about it.

QJo in bb after loose button raises and sb calls.....hmmmm. Will need to think about this one. Would love others feedback as well.

13:25
Unless the river was an ace, I might actually think about calling the river... He's got either 7, 9 or missed draw and we beat two of those.

Don't think he can hold a T here? So draw, T, 7, 9 and we are now even should the river not be an A or completing the flushdraw.

15:30
"Poker is boring when played properly"... I don't Agree! If you want action, try playing HU or just play LAG (not on NL10). Some people are playing 35 VPIP on midstakes and winning a lot doing so.

This was 10nl specific

15:50
SB limp and you (BB) check with A3o... I'd raise here. You have position and your hand is somewhat easy to play postflop (against that passive opponent). But most of all, people limping from SB will fold most of the time to BB raise. So you are mainly raising for FE. He also has 100% fold to cbet, so raising any two and cbetting any flop is +EV against him.

Point well taken.

16:50
JKo and you limp from the cutoff... please don't, it makes me a sad panda.

I played this one badly.... along with the one below

17:40
Even with the shortstack limper, I am opening KJo anytime from the button... If he had less than 15bb I might reconsider.

see above

24:55
You call a min-3bet with ATo... which you certainly shouldn't. This is his first 3bet and he has played 5 out of his 15 hands so far and raised every one of them preflop, which makes me think he has some kind of idea what he is doing. ATo is a horrible hand to call this with.

100% agree

25:10
If you want to pot control, you should rather check on the river, instead of giving him a free chance for river suckout. You have TPGK and he's shown no strenght (and he is certainly NOT a passive player).

I thought by checking it would induce a river bet from my opponent with a K or other pair.

26:20
Just ship it in on the flop against this guy (when he's shortstacked)... There can be a lot of bad turns for you. Calling was probably the worst possible choice... You are committed to stack of if flush hits and/or you are not getting his whole stack if he has just a draw and doesn't hit.

This was played horribly.....

27:55
You are raising on the turn with TPTK... first I was gonna say it's very bad and you are turning your hand into a bluff, but given this guy's stats (he probably wouldn't fold a weaker TP here) it's actually pretty good move I think... It just didn't work this time.

That's why I flatted the flop and waited till the turn. Now the question is.....do we valuebet the river after he calls our raise on the turn?

31:50
You said "he actually played that hand quite well" (guy flatted JJ on A high flop, turn was 2nd A and you didn't bet. With someone playing as straighforward as you, he should probably valuebet the river. (at least if the FD didn't hit)

No value in betting it honestly IMO.

33:30
You fold K9s on the button with no limpers and both blinds are playing tight... Opening any two is profitable here, even if you openfold any flop unless you hit two pair or better.

an area of weakness that I know i need work on.

37:40
You open 76s from button against shortstack maniac on the blinds... This is a spot where I would consider just folding it, and I'm supposed to be the maniac. Works this time, but probably -EV on the long run.

see above

38:00
You isolate shortstack with Q9o and make a standard sized cbet (he hasn't folded to single one yet) when you miss. You can cbet smaller against shortstacks... and that flop is something they are gonna check-shove like 80% of the time. I would probably check behind against this maniac.

probably my biggest weakness and an area that I know I need a lot of work on. Flop texture combined with player type and knowing when to cbet and when not to is my biggest struggle.

44:40
Good shove with 99, as he has a lot of air in his 3bet range and is probably the type to get it in even with AQ. So even when you get called, you are very often flipping... like you were this time. This is probably one of the hands I like most in this video.

I can't seem to find this hand at all......

PS.
I might have found a reason for your downswing... you can hear it at around 2:55. Sounds like opening a beer can!

Nope that is a bottle sir!

[adam258]

First of all, you make the comment that you are at work. LOL! You are ALWAYS at work. Ha!

1. @ around 1:30 you have ATo v. QQ. Most will prolly say that it was badly played (including you in the vid). I must say that I don't fault you here. He played it very weird and his shove makes absolutely no sense.

2. The only other comment I have is why you wouldn't take the name down of the ATM between 7-10min when you stacked him twice? I have a HUGE list personally that I search prior to running a session so I can sit with known fish, instead of possible ones.

[chinz]

Thanks for commenting back.

I might make a video at some point, but I won't be commenting it (at least on english)...

Originally Posted by mxrider

I normally do lead out tp/nk but on this board, there are no cards I will like going forward and I'm OOP hence the way I played this one.

Yeah, but you are betting just to protect your hand. IF you happen to get called, you most likely have the best hand, but you simply can't call or bet on later streets.

I disagree with you a little here. Villain is a solid player but also steals 24%, which is not a small amount. Versus a full 24% range, my AJ is probably ahead and hence the 3bet. As far as size goes, I'm oop and tend to make my raises a little larger when squeezing in the bb. Not saying this is right, just my thoughts.

I was probably reading your HUD wrong (I have different layout) but 24% steal still isn't much and AJ is a very bad hand to 3bet against a tight player. I still think your 3bet sizing is a little too much, but I like your reasoning for it.

Playing 24% from the button is more like playing mediocre hands in position than stealing... that IS a very small amount.

The reason for not isolating here was that the limper was short. I do agree that it can make playing BB a little difficult but shortstackers tend to do crazy crap with all kinds of whacky hands and wanted to see a flop.

He had 38bb, that makes playing KQ postflop very easy. You are gonna cbet and ship it in with openenders (u have 2 overs too in TJx) or top pairs and cbet-fold the rest. It's not like 38bb stack is gonna go all crazy and shove over too often preflop.

I disagree here. Shortie will fold much more easily if I 4bet. By calling, yes I am giving him better odds, but the more dead money I can get in the pot the better. If an A or a K flops, I have to obviously play more cautiously.

What I was trying to say, there is so many bad flops for QQ that the disadvantage of that is bigger than the gain of trying to lure him in. (My english sucks, hope you understand what I meant...). With KK or AA I would like that play more.

Don't think he can hold a T here? So draw, T, 7, 9 and we are now even should the river not be an A or completing the flushdraw.

As aggressive as he is, the chance of him having a T here is almost non-existant. If the river were a blanco, I would probably call just because his line wouldn't make any sense for any hand that beats us (except strong nines). We are good at least 50% of the times, so we'd have very good odds to call something like 0.7x pot. With that river, it was obv an easy fold.

I thought by checking it would induce a river bet from my opponent with a K or other pair.

I don't really know what I was thinking about this here... I actually did like your play, because it was a 3bet pot.

That's why I flatted the flop and waited till the turn. Now the question is.....do we valuebet the river after he calls our raise on the turn?

I think valuebetting around half a pot on the river is OK against this player. Against a tighter player I would insta-check (wouldn't take that line on the turn in the first place).

No value in betting it honestly IMO.

When a player like you checks behind the turn (with FD on the board specially) they never have an ace. But you WOULD call with Tx and possibly with hands like 6x and 77-99 too.

With the FD hitting, it's OK for him to check the river, but otherwise this should be a nobrainer valuebet for him. He shouldn't expect to get called very often, but even when he does, he's good like 70% of the time.

I can't seem to find this hand at all......

Look at 40:40. As I said, I had a few beers...

Nope that is a bottle sir!

No prob then!

[given1982]

1:15 table 5 - You've got to follow your reads. Don't say "this is probably a bad call" as you're clicking call. You had the situation read correctly.

2:45 table 1 - Why are you completing ATo in the SB with 2 limpers in front of you? You don't even take a stab at a 885 two-tone flop. I don't get it.

3:40 table 5 - You don't bet your TPNK in a limped pot because you say there are a lot of bad turn cards. That's a reason to bet, not a reason to check.

4:15 table 5 - You complete the SB with KQo with 1 limper in front and don't even stab at a J92 rainbow flop, but then you decide to bet when an offsuit 3 turns. I don't get it.

5:45 table 5 - You fold JQo in the CO with a full-stacked 60/0 who limped in MP. I isolate that all day every day.

8:45 table 5 - The 60/0 completed the small blind and you check your option with T4s. I'm raising that up.

9:15 table 1 - I like flatting JJ in the SB to an UTG open normally, but not in this situation--the guy has spewmonkey stats, and you just stacked him a few minutes ago. I'd 3bet and get it in preflop. I don't understand all the clicking it back after he 3bets the flop. He's shown that he's incapable of folding, so just stick him in.

10:25 - you put me on tilt by saying "ATM machine." The "M" in "ATM" stands for machine.

13:45 table 4 - A 62/23 limps into your BB from the SB, and you check with Q3o. I'm raising all day.

I disagree with some of the blanket statements you're making about 10NL. You talk about how people never fold at that level, which just isn't true. There are a bunch of threads where people say it's -EV to get AK all in preflop at 10NL because you will always be a dog to the range that your opponents will get it in with. That means that they are folding the vast majority of their range in that situation. There are other spots like this too. There are just different spots that will get lots of folds against an average 10NL player than the spots that will get lots of folds at 200NL.

17:00 table 4 - I think limping behind a 59/18 with KJo is really bad. You say you don't think it's worth it to isolate. I disagree with that, but if that's what you think, then just fold. You're lighting money on fire limping to hit a J or K, when you won't even know if it's good when you hit it.

17:30 table 5 - A 63/0 limps the button, and you just complete the SB with QJs. I'm raising all day every day.

24:10 table 4 - A 58/13 limps the button, and you complete the SB with A6o and then check a TT9 rainbow flop. I really don't get what you're doing here.

25:45 table 2 - This hand is just played horribly, especially the little click-it-back war on the flop that ended with you calling OOP. You really got bailed out by your 1-outer here.

28:00 table 5 - What are you doing flatting a 4bet OOP with AQo, especially after all the lip service you've paid to playing tight and not getting fancy?

28:00 table 3 - The river bet was super thin. Maybe KJ and QJ pay you off there. I like a smaller river bet. You ponder why he checked the river with his 2pair--because you took the lead away from him by raising the turn. His check is super standard.

31:15 table 1 - You open fold KQo in MP, which is pretty nitty. You open folded ATo in MP on another table not that long ago too.

My overall impressions were that you completed way too many SBs and that you have some misimpressions about 10NL that cause you to play suboptimally and in a way that is guaranteed to get you run over when you get back to 100NL.