VIDEO DISCUSSION: Trikkur 44 - Full Tilt Rush Poker Strategy Video

[Trikkur]

**THIS THREAD IS FOR DISCUSSION OF Trikkur 44 - Full Tilt Rush Poker Strategy Video**

Rush Poker from Full Tilt has been all the rage these last few days. With so many hands per hour, you can make a ton of money playing a super nitty style while grinding out way more rakeback than ever before. Today, I made a 4x tabling Rush Poker video playing 25NL. I gave some of my initial thoughts about Rush Poker and why I think you can build a nice bankroll with these games.I didn't have time to review the video, so I hope everything came out well. Since the games are so fast, it is semi-hard to do commentary and I'm sort of rusty at it anyway. I still think the video came out well and I hope everyone enjoys it.

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[Nostalgica]

Sounds great. I'll have a look when I can. Quite interested, as I have not tried it yet, after moving funds off FTP. Might make me transfer some to try.

[podbelski]

This vid is truly nice Trik

Will give another try to these games, tighter than my first attempt. I want to have a brain-easy games for backup when I'm not in a mood to be tricky

Seems AK is not strong enough to face big preflop action happily... I mean you can't rely on someone unknown 3betting/4betting you light, so you are like splitting/flipping at best (+dominating AQ)

I saw you folding ATs IP to a raise, this is a borderline IMO, nice hand but might be -EV when flatting raises..

Another thing I think about after watching the vid is it might be better to push people off hands by barreling instead of check-raising flops

One more: maybe it is better to fold 22-55 (66) EP, harder to push off people when you miss, harder to get value when hit, higher chance to be set/oversetted

[Trikkur]

It wasn't on the video, but I agree with your statement about AK. I actually folded QQ preflop to a 4-bet at these games right before taping because I just think you can pick better spots.

[podbelski]

Minraising from the button wide seems to be an ok way to steal the blinds... they are folding like the same amount as for 3-3.5x

Maybe limping small PP early position can be better to setmine? You really do not need to balance your range here

Another thing I've noticed (not sure though) is if your PFR was flatted and you check the flop OOP the opps are betting very very often, might be good for check-raising with made hands

[chinz]

(I didn't watch the video, but you said in description that you were playing tight)

Since people are still playing basic ABC in those and people won't gain reads (at least as fast as they would in normal ringgame) I think you should be playing totally batshit crazy on those games...


SixPeppers made a CardRunners video (NL100 FR) with completely different mindset on these games... In his video he had over 10% 3bet (and YES, FULLRING!) and he was probably 4betting like in 50% of the spots where it was possible... People can't really adjust you to 4betting light, so you could literally 4bet every single time your LP open gets 3bet etc...

Same goes for 3betting, as most of the people are playing ABC game, you can 3bet their LP opens like every single time, until people start adjusting more to rush games. This will probably change in the near future, but currently as people are playing way too conservative (well, their strategy might actually be optimal against the complete player pool at the moment), you can really exploit that by playing far more aggressive.

I actually folded QQ preflop to a 4-bet at these games right before taping because I just think you can pick better spots.

I don't think that shoving over 4b with QQ is a mistake against overal NL25 player (and since we don't have reads/stats, we should play against "overal player"). I really hate using "you can pick better spots" for an excuse to pass on +EV spots. There might be situations where 3b-folding QQ might be good readless, but assuming it's <150bb and it's not something like you 3bet vs. UTG and get cold-4bet, I don't really see any reason to ever fold QQ pre in those games.

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Also, at least in NL50-NL100 people will tend to 3b more against button minraise than they would against 3x raise, unless they know you're minraising your whole range... And since this is rush they don't assume you'd minraise your whole range OTB, and they're probably right since it doesn't really make sense to minraise with something like QQ, when you don't have to worry about balancing your BTN minraises (because your opponents change in every hand).

There still is some merit to minraising, since there's a decent change that SB has autofolded anyway and he'll never know you minraised, and obviously you're getting much better odds for your blindsteal. So minraising or 2.5x'ing the button might be right in these games, I'm just wondering how majority of people react to that in rush games.



I don't mean to be hating, but I'm hoping that every tries to think about correct strategy in the current state of the rush games, instead of just replicating what they see someone else (eg. you in this video) make.

[Trikkur]

What you have to remember is I'm making videos for micro stakes players to make money at the games, not a mid stakes regular.

As I said to start the video, my first instinct coming from a medium stakes background was to 3-bet every hand because there were little to no reads people could rely on to play back at you with. This style unfortunately doesn't work for most of the audience coming to PokerTrikz since they are primarily 50NL or smaller players. In those cases, I think playing really nitty and grinding out a nice rakeback profit and relying on larger hands to make most of your money seems the best way to go.

[Trikkur]

BTW, speaking of the QQ hand, it wasn't just a bet, 3-bet, 4bet, there was a bet, 3-bet, cold 4-bet and I folded.

And, no I don't think it's an excuse to pass on +EV spots. I legitimately think it may be -EV to get it in with QQ every time. It's not like I said I was folding KK preflop here.

[chinz]

Originally Posted by Trikkur

As I said to start the video, my first instinct coming from a medium stakes background was to 3-bet every hand because there were little to no reads people could rely on to play back at you with. This style unfortunately doesn't work for most of the audience coming to PokerTrikz since they are primarily 50NL or smaller players. In those cases, I think playing really nitty and grinding out a nice rakeback profit and relying on larger hands to make most of your money seems the best way to go.

You might be right, I just wanted to point out, that tight strategy is most likely not the optimal strategy for these games, at least in their current state. My message probably sounded more hostile than it was meant to, I hope you didn't interpret it wrong.

Originally Posted by Trikkur

BTW, speaking of the QQ hand, it wasn't just a bet, 3-bet, 4bet, there was a bet, 3-bet, cold 4-bet and I folded.

Then I do also think it's OK to fold at NL25, just wanted to make sure.

[Nostalgica]

I too think that you're being a bit too nitty overall and giving up a lot of EV spots. It's not due to balancing that you can be playing some of the hands you fold, but because it's +EV in a vacuum, but I do realize that playing tight is best for new players. I just think emphasizing on it too much can lead to bad habits if you don't make it clear that it's not optimal or the "only" or "best" way to play the game, as lots of newer players, imo, get stuck with things like hand charts and playing super tight instead of learning to adjust or playing thin spots and improving as a player.

Cool video though.