When to isolate

[vxmortal15]

Hi guys,

First I want to say that i really admire the amount of work you guys put into this site.
Your videos have really made me become a better player. You don't find free info a lot, and what you guys do is priceless.

Secondly, I saw Trikkur's vid about the preflop hand chart, but in this video you do not talk about what to do for example on the button with certain hands when 2 players limp in front of you. When do you isolate, when do you just call, when to fold etc etc...

[loltrickedu]

isolate limpers and bad players, almost never limp unless there are too many bad limpers in front of you that wont fold out then just limp connecters Jt and below really

[vxmortal15]

Do you for example still raise on the button with K9o, 89o, A2s when 2 players limp in front of you? Aren't those hands a bit weak to raise with?

[TheDeKay]

If you feel comfortable playing these hands in position against bad players, you can raise them. But plz... do not limp behind with K9o, 98o or something like that ^^
If the limpers have a high "fold to Cbet" (60% or more) you can raise a lot of hands here and make a CB on every flop.

[vxmortal15]

I always raise or fold on the button. Now I know when to raise and to fold. Thanks.

[TheDeKay]

Originally Posted by vxmortal15

I always raise or fold on the button. Now I know when to raise and to fold. Thanks.

It could be profitable to call /w 22-JJ against an aggressiv player (who raised preflop), or /w a sc or s1c against players, who pay you off, if you hit your draw. So do not raise all the time

[kimoz]

Originally Posted by loltrickedu

isolate limpers and bad players, almost never limp unless there are too many bad limpers in front of you that wont fold out then just limp connecters Jt and below really

is it oke to call on the btn with ATC if the effective stacks are 200BB?

[ThatDeviant]

I don't advocate limping on the BTN at all except in maybe family pots where you hold a small PP and have reads that any raise is just going to sweeten the pot. Raise or fold is 95% correct here at pretty much any limit cash game.

Your position is excellent and being the agressor is far more benificial later in the hand. Limping ATC is going to be a huge leak in your game, not to mention you won't hit the flop 65% of the time and It's difficult for you to represent A/K high flops when you don't hit being so passive PF. Any good opponent is going to see what you're doing and tear you apart.

I'm new here btw, so hello to everyone.

Ise.

[TheDeKay]

Originally Posted by kimoz

is it oke to call on the btn with ATC if the effective stacks are 200BB?

Do you mean to call a raise or just to limp?
You could call players /w ATC, if you have a good read on them (but that is rare) and I do not advocate this play.
Limping /w ATC is really bad, imo, cause you have a family pot and do not connect as good as the other players.

[Trikkur]

The only hands you are looking to limp behind with are 22-88 and A2s-A9s. The 22-88 is to make sets of course and the suited aces are to make dominated big hands. If your opponent does something dumb and limps like 67s and you limp behind A6s. If the flop comes a flush, you are stacking them all day and they are drawing dead. If the flop comes 66x, you are stacking them all day and they have 3 outs. This is also the reason that limping suited connectors is bad, you make dominated big hands and have to go broke. So isolate with your suited connectors and limp behind other limpers with your suited aces.